Adobe moves to Creative Cloud, Cancels Creative Suite

deltoidjohn said:
11.4 The Software may automatically download and install updates from Adobe. These updates are designed to improve, enhance and further develop the Services and may take the form of bug fixes, enhanced functions, new Software modules, and completely new versions. You agree to receive such updates (and permit Adobe to deliver these to you with or without your knowledge) as part of your use of the Services.
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Let's talk reality, not agreements. Those are usually worded to cover their ass.

Adobe has said that they will not automatically install new versions, and instead will try to keep up to 5 prior versions for your use. Now there are bug fixes and smaller updates, sure, but so far you have to specifically run the Adobe Application Manager or the Updates functionality to even install that.
 
One other thing - I did try to subscribe to the Adobe Cloud. The price is not the issue….
I am on a wireless network - it works flawlessly. My iMac never could connect
through LAN - when I had PC's it was the other way around.
The Cloud would never work though a wireless connection.
I was on-line for hours with an Adobe tech who treated me like I was an idiot….
I got my money back and said Adios MoFo…..
 
craigbowman said:
The $50 a month is $600 a year. Upgrading the master collection every year was $999. It was $399 cheaper to go CC. Its just one of those silly "doing the math" things.
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When I upgraded from CS-5 to CS-6 I paid $525. Master Collection.
Plus there was about two years between 5 and 6.
 
I do agree that I think Adobe is stretching it so say that CC is cheaper...surely they are making more money on the deal, just tossing around erroneous numbers to make it seem otherwise.
 
Hidef1080 said:
When I upgraded from CS-5 to CS-6 I paid $525. Master Collection.
Plus there was about two years between 5 and 6.
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Plus many users upgraded every other version, so it could be three or four years. But there's also the issue of stability. Spend six months or a year with a version, you learn what works well, not so well, or unpredictably. The cloud compresses the schedule, and there's no guarantee that features won't be removed or inadvertently rendered buggy by changes to the code. Unfortunately, there aren't any real alternatives that are cross-platform and as functional and so well integrated.
 
f64manray said:
I really can't stomach a $50 bill every month for software I could own. I just don't see how anyone would go for that...
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It's the difference between buying a new car outright and then deciding to trade in for a new model every couple of years when it's worth it to you, and signing a lease that keeps in you the newest version of that car as long as you pay the lease. I signed up for the cloud a week before the announcement, because I didn't have to fork out all the money upfront for the upgrade from 5.5 to the expected boxed version of CS7, and for me it would work out to be a wash over the long term. And getting my hands on some of the new apps not included in CS 5.5 Production Bundle made it worth it.

Also, I drive a '98 Ford Explorer with 235k miles on it, so I'm not a "latest and greatest" type of person :)
 
...here's the cheese...and the cracker...although no one seems to be willing to just come out and say it !

Many people are awakening to the reality of control ....by governments....and by multi-national corporations. I wouldn't touch a cloud product with a stick. I want anonymity on the internet and I don't want any possibility of access to my digital files....period...end of story. . But also I'm the type that realized many generations of software back, that software upgrading is just a scam. I learned that from being an early fcp 1.0 adopter.... and the list goes on and on.

And I think this will be the beginning of the end for Adobe. They chose Beta and the world is choosing vhs ! And as the political environment continues to degrade, privacy will become more important to more people. My opinion of the cloud is it's big brother attempting to get the greatest tool of humanity's freedom ....i.e the internet...under control !

And just wait....this vacuum will be filled by dozens of other options.
 
The bottom line is money. And I'm sure AVID, FCP, SONY, Davinci, etc. are all gonna sit back and watch...NOT to see if Adobe's Cloud subscription pricing pisses people off..but to see if it makes them more money in the long haul. THEN, after everyone who is pissed has jumped ship and is now using one of the other softwares, they may eventually be facing the same situation there too.
You don't actually think other creative software co's won't eventually do the same thing as Adobe has done? In THIS economy anything is possible.

Scary
 
Gillvane said:
This will become the model for almost all software. It's the only way to really cut down on pirating.
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I said this in another thread but, if they can shut down the suite if you don't have an active subscription what prevents them from shutting down a version that is running under a bogus key or duplicate or cracked key? There is no reason why a perpetually licensed version can't phone home, privacy issues notwithstanding. I find piracy deplorable and I buy everything I use. I'm a good customer and should not have to accept the cloud solution because they cannot figure out how to enforce their licenses.

I think their solution is ridiculously unimaginative and just plain greedy.
 
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Gillvane said:
This will become the model for almost all software. It's the only way to really cut down on pirating.
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I believe this will have zero effect on piracy. The cloud apps will be cracked within days of their release. The people who want to pirate apps will always find a way to pirate apps. Every subsequent version of the CS suite had a more in depth, complicated anti-piracy solution than the previous version... and it never mattered. Cracks were released within days or hours.

All they're doing is forcing customers who were going to legally buy their software anyway, to jump through hoops. It's all for nothing.
 
I am currently running 5.5 and meant to upgrade to 6. I think I'll do that and then hold for a while at 6 and see what happens elsewhere.
 
Adobe has undoubtedly profited from the piracy of its software. Martin Vilcans' blog post "The Real Problem with Software Piracy" convincingly argues that people who buy pirated software -- particularly very expensive, best-of-breed, industry-standard software (like, say, Photoshop) -- couldn't or wouldn't buy a full retail copy, so that couldn't be counted a lost sale. But what does happen is that that person may get used to using it, such that he/she will be hooked. Upshot: legions of experienced Adobe addicts who will likely use that product in a professional setting that buys or subscribes to licensed software. In effect, piracy helps Adobe perpetuate a market for its products. According to the author, the real losers are competitors who produce cheaper, inferior (i.e., less functional), non-industry-standard software, because, for the most part, people generally go for the best pirated software since price is not a consideration.

A solution to the problem of forced lock-in is open-source software. Unfortunately, the tools are generally not as functional as their commercial counterparts. Despite the best of intentions, free-software developers can devote only so many resources to development, and those who contribute for free can devote only so much time. So, yeah, making a profit does help innovation. But when the market approaches a monopoly situation -- as some have argued has happened with Adobe and its Creative Suite/Cloud -- there is also a disincentive to innovate.
 
awelgraven said:
Bingo. Look at all the options for legally buying/streaming music... and music piracy is down.
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Yeah, but if you look at the torn apart wasteland that is the music industry today, I can't say I would want to go that route if I was a visual media executive. The music folks USED to love their power and money machine, now it is .$99 downloads and Facebook fans.

I really don't have an Issue with Adobe changing their business model as I have a;ways thought the Creative Suite was a behemoth to keep updated and improved. They obviously need a more effective way to get it all done. That said, I have never been a fan of leasing cars, so naturally I will not want to partake in the CC approach.

A few years back I purchased some orchestral and synth sounds for music composition and when I later wanted to sell them I had a rude awakening to the way they handled their software. I was not allowed to sell it becuase I never owned it in the first place. I only rented it from them on an indefinite basis. Adobe is trying to move closer to that being the center of their efforts, like all software companies want. Time will tell if they get enough customers to play along.
 
Hidef1080 said:
When I upgraded from CS-5 to CS-6 I paid $525. Master Collection.
Plus there was about two years between 5 and 6.
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Yes. You live in the U.S. I don't. You also pay substantially less for a wide range of goods and services. But that is another discussion.
 
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