awelgraven
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http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/...ve-suite-entirely-to-focus-on-creative-cloud/
I guess i wasn't expecting this...
I guess i wasn't expecting this...
Adobe moves to Creative Cloud, Cancels Creative Suite
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Wesley Byram
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This was going to happen sooner or later. I am only surprised that they are making this announcement so soon. I figured that Adobe would allow at least a year to two for more people to get hooked on Creative Cloud before publicly declaring an end to the stand-alone software.
Fortunately, for those that might take issue at this, the alternatives are growing and improving: http://nofilmschool.com/2013/05/public-beta-lightworks-nle-linux/#more-51521
Fortunately, for those that might take issue at this, the alternatives are growing and improving: http://nofilmschool.com/2013/05/public-beta-lightworks-nle-linux/#more-51521
stefancolson
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For those who upgrade with each release this is actually not a bad deal at all. For those who go a few years between upgrades it's a pretty major bummer. CS6 will be a totally viable tool for many years for those who don't want to buy into a subscription.
Postmaster
Dark Side of the Camera
Sounds like asking for trouble.
Many companies (including ours) don't dare to hook up the workstations, with crucial client data on them to the internet, for obvious reasons.
Also I already heard, that some larger companies that jumped on the Adobe cloud wagon, have constant problems, because of security protocols and applications running the inhouse networks. Sometimes Premiere or AE refused to start, cause they can't phone home.
Looking good, with a client breathing down your neck on a crucial job.
I really hope this fires back to Adobe and they give you at least an option to run the suite without internet connection.
Many companies (including ours) don't dare to hook up the workstations, with crucial client data on them to the internet, for obvious reasons.
Also I already heard, that some larger companies that jumped on the Adobe cloud wagon, have constant problems, because of security protocols and applications running the inhouse networks. Sometimes Premiere or AE refused to start, cause they can't phone home.
Looking good, with a client breathing down your neck on a crucial job.
I really hope this fires back to Adobe and they give you at least an option to run the suite without internet connection.
Viable for 4 years with no upgrades? Because that is what the comparable subscription cost covers with continuous upgrades.
I only wish Autocad would do something similar. Cost to upgrade my old license would be $4k now PLUS $875 a year to maintain current status.
Only requires connecting once a month to verify status. Not continuous connection.
adkimery
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Adobe already killed that practice 2 or 3 years ago by limiting the upgrade window to every other version and drastically slicing the upgrade discount if you skipped a version. So, for example, if you wanted to upgrade to CS 6 Production Premium and you have CS 5.5 Production Premium you can upgrade for around $375 as it's only one version back. If you have CS 5 Production Premium it's around $750 because it's two versions back. If you have anything older than CS 5 you have to pay full retail for CS 6. Adobe has been priming the pump for CC for a few years now, I'm just surprised they made this move so soon. I figured, as others have said, that there would've been a longer transition period to warm more people up to the idea.
stefancolson
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CS5 was the last release with the old upgrade pricing model (they essentially made it the same price to upgrade with every release as it would have been to skip the X.5 iterations). Ebay, education pricing, etc. made it doable for the initiated until now.
I think Adobe has some of the most sane pricing in the market, but things have gotten worse over the last couple of years for someone who wants the platform but doesn't care about having the latest iteration. Until CS5 you could've upgraded every few years for the upgrade price (which would have been roughly what a year of the creative cloud subscription costs). Now you are locked into upgrading with every release for (more or less) what the cost would have been to purchase each new version. I personally like the subscription model, and it doesn't make any difference to me considering I upgrade with each release anyhow, but I know a lot of people who are still on CS5 or much older versions of apps like photoshop. That choice is gone, and the software package has become a recurring cost of business instead of a durable good that only had to be recouped once.
Bassman2003
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Yes, depending upon how you look at it, glass 1/2 full or empty, it is like the customers owe it to the company to keep on buying their products. This model only works IF they are constantly pushing the envelope to add new and useful features. If they dribble out stuff like some in the camera industry it is just milking their customer base. I stopped at CS5 because I realized that I don't need any more functionality from Photoshop and am not a Premiere user. Kind of like Microsoft Word, how much more do you really need it to do?
It will be an interesting experiment to watch. Although the CC model has been there all along, just disguised as "ownership". You have always just rented or leased software. You took delivery of the discs but the company still really owned the product. Kind of like a copyright release for usage.
It will be an interesting experiment to watch. Although the CC model has been there all along, just disguised as "ownership". You have always just rented or leased software. You took delivery of the discs but the company still really owned the product. Kind of like a copyright release for usage.
alaskacameradude
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I hate to say 'I told you so' but I saw this coming and called it awhile ago. And had a quite a few
people telling me that I was wrong and just 'stirring the pot'. But I knew what was going on...it was
not hard to see it coming at all. I moved to CS6 from FCP 7. With this announcement I will be officially
moving back to FCP X when I next upgrade. Adobe could have had me as a 'switcher' but I will not stay
with them as they go to software rental. Time to start learning FCP X.
people telling me that I was wrong and just 'stirring the pot'. But I knew what was going on...it was
not hard to see it coming at all. I moved to CS6 from FCP 7. With this announcement I will be officially
moving back to FCP X when I next upgrade. Adobe could have had me as a 'switcher' but I will not stay
with them as they go to software rental. Time to start learning FCP X.
At least with AutoCAD you only HAVE to upgrade the every 3 years or so they change the file format. The price is still absurd for the number of features they add and the number of bugs they haven't fixed (I've run into bugs in R2014 that have been reported on the forum as far back as 2003).
deltoidjohn
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This is one of my biggest objections to the Cloud. I have worked very hard to make sure my primary workstation is never connected to the internet. I know many editors who have done the same. I don't even have a router in my main PC!
Also for those people saying the Cloud is cheaper - it is, for your first year. Then it is $600 a year (assuming they don't start raising the price once everybody is locked in) - compared to roughly $400 if you upgrade on each new release (which up until CS5.5 was roughly every 18 months - so equal to about $22/month)
I'll be sticking with CS6 until there is a very compelling reason for me to upgrade (most likely codec compatibility, though hopefully not for a few years yet). At that point, I'll be re-assessing things and Adobe CC won't necessarily be my first choice.
KINOKS
Well-known member
This.
Workstations should be offline for a multitude of reasons. Asking people to go online with their workstations is kinda weird. Does Adobe understand the "pro" market or do they understand only the prosumer market???
Denis Haineault
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I suppose I'll be upgrading to CS6, then no more upgrades for me.
Postmaster
Dark Side of the Camera
I bet, Adobe is selling more CS6 packages these days than ever.
Andrew Stone
Veteran
I am moving to AVID.
The rest of the programs I use with Adobe have been mature for YEARS. There are few true compelling reasons to upgrade regularly. Software companies have traditionally fought this problem of diminishing returns by developing new products to be part of their product shelf. Too bad, Adobe had the right attitude in developing Premiere Pro into a great product for editors but this move combined with dreadful roundtripping with DaVinci Resolve has me eagerly looking for a way out of this mess. Apple screwed the editing community by killing off FCP and now Adobe is forcing people into a yearly tithe of $600 for a suite of apps, most of which are mature and in little need of upgrade. Creative Cloud has redeeming qualities but as with many things in life, it all gets back to money and choice.
The rest of the programs I use with Adobe have been mature for YEARS. There are few true compelling reasons to upgrade regularly. Software companies have traditionally fought this problem of diminishing returns by developing new products to be part of their product shelf. Too bad, Adobe had the right attitude in developing Premiere Pro into a great product for editors but this move combined with dreadful roundtripping with DaVinci Resolve has me eagerly looking for a way out of this mess. Apple screwed the editing community by killing off FCP and now Adobe is forcing people into a yearly tithe of $600 for a suite of apps, most of which are mature and in little need of upgrade. Creative Cloud has redeeming qualities but as with many things in life, it all gets back to money and choice.