Add "coloring / grading" section to POST-PRODUCTION TOOLS section of DVX?

yea, i mainly deliver to cinema and broadcast, rarely to web other than auxilary deliveries, i do have an ipad, MacBookPro, and a phone in the suite connected via VPN to the UI of my workstation, and do check when i feel the need

This morning I was checking a feature that we finished a few days ago, and had created the DCDM already, but the producer was concerned about a scene playing dark on his MacAir, he came in and looked at the vimeo link on all of my screens, compared to his MacAir and turned up the screen brightness on his machine.. problem solved

i'm pretty confident that the shows i deliver will play as well as the display device can display it, as every Qt encoder out there is expecting a broadcast signal on it's input in any case, we run out a 422YUV to use for broadcast deliverables, and that is what web sub-masters are created from.. it works well

my suite is really not misleading atall, it's a solid standard that can be trusted, full stop...

and discussions like this are why i am doubtful that there's much to be gained by creating a section devoted to gradeing, no matter how well intentioned

best off reading the archives at LGG, there's a ton of solid inormation there
 
All true.

But here is where DVX may be appropriate. Because I think (I may be wrong) that most users here are delivering to web not as an 'auxiliary' but as the main platform.

Generally I feel a vibe of elitism that looks down on anyone who does not have a panel and a $10k monitoring set up.

I feel lack of those should not be a dissuader for those wanting to bring the best from ones footage.
 
morgan_moore said:
All true.

But here is where DVX may be appropriate. Because I think (I may be wrong) that most users here are delivering to web not as an 'auxiliary' but as the main platform.
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With smart TVs, streaming set top boxes and and screen casting functions in things like ChromeCast and AppleTV 'web' content very easily can end up on a TV. Of course what type of jacked up settings people probably have on their TVs is beyond our control but such is life.


I feel lack of those should not be a dissuader for those wanting to bring the best from ones footage.
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If someone wants to get the best from their footage they'll have to understand the limitations of what they are working with and without a proper monitoring setup you can't know precisely what you are doing to your footage. It's not an elitist attitude, it's just a fact. For broad strokes you are probably safe but for more nuanced worked like that nice 'green fluorescent light' look you have for your hospital scene might actually be more yellow or teal instead of green. And the moonlit walk in the woods that looks fine your computer screen might actually be a dark mess with barely visible faces.

I've graded things in a proper room and I've graded things on a laptop in a hotel so I fully understand both sides of the argument, but I also fully realize limitations of not having a proper setup. People shouldn't be dissuaded but they shouldn't be delusional either.


-Andrew
 
adkimery said:
..argument.. you can't know precisely what you are doing to your footage.
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Im not arguing that a fully controlled 'flow from colour room to audience is not more controlled (and therefore better) than an uncontrolled one. To do such would be clearly irrational.

Same as I know that an F65 makes a better file than a A7s.. but that doesn't mean all a7s users and their work is utterly worthless.

Scopes will help you know if your own set up is way out of whack so there is some 'precision'

I think in terms of 'colouring for DVXuser' maybe this is illustrating the point.

Full colour is a profession/art

Many DVX users, however, have in interest in moving their footage to a better place and that is where a board here would become relevant..
 
+1 for the subforum.

As far as I can tell, my iPad 3 mini is an 8-bit SRGB display. It matches my 8-bit SRGB calibrated desktop monitor pretty well. I'm jonzing for a 10 bit setup though since seeing some of my footage on one of Sony's new mid-range business class laser projectors though. Color on that beast was spectacular and I could see grading issues that my monitor doesn't show.

I've always liked this quote from the Resolve 11 manual:

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I liked Geoff Boyle's CML comment too: " I don't care if it looks like film, I only care if it looks good."
 
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morgan_moore said:
Scopes will help you know if your own set up is way out of whack so there is some 'precision'
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Yes, though scopes help more with objective measurements (are my blacks legal?) than subjective calls (is this mint green or lime green?).

Many DVX users, however, have in interest in moving their footage to a better place and that is where a board here would become relevant..
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I'm in favor having a grading forum here as well. Yes, there will be a lot of the blind leading the blind but that's par for the course for Internet forums. I mean, DVXUser was started by, well, DVXUsers, not a bunch of Hollywood DP's with Oscars on their mantles, but over time and experience the signal to noise ratio improved and the same can happen with a grading forum.

To Dermot's point though there are already better grading forums out there so if you are looking for answers there are better places to be. Though there is nothing stopping you from learning more at other forums and 'importing' that knowledge to DVXUser.


-Andrew
 
seems it's not really a good choice, Steve Shaw has a good forum that discusses all things callibration, and it gets no love there;
http://www.lightillusion.com/forums/index.php

alternitivly, there's offers on basic callibration software and probes from both Light Illusion and CalMan..
http://www.lightillusion.com/lightspace_lte.html
http://calman.spectracal.com/store/p75/CalMAN_Studio_Express.html

and they can both use this inexpensive probe;
http://calman.spectracal.com/store/p128/X-Rite_i1_Display_OEM_.html
 
Dermot said:
seems it's not really a good choice, Steve Shaw has a good forum that discusses all things callibration, and it gets no love there;
http://www.lightillusion.com/forums/index.php

alternitivly, there's offers on basic callibration software and probes from both Light Illusion and CalMan..
http://www.lightillusion.com/lightspace_lte.html
http://calman.spectracal.com/store/p75/CalMAN_Studio_Express.html

and they can both use this inexpensive probe;
http://calman.spectracal.com/store/p128/X-Rite_i1_Display_OEM_.html
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Thank you, Dermot. This is very good info. I'll be looking closely at those web sites as I make decisions about hardware.
 
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