roei z
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hmmm.. some elements are true, but it's somewhat of a deeper story than that (and more thought provoking, i hope
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GH2 about to finish shooting my feature :)
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hmmm.. some elements are true, but it's somewhat of a deeper story than that (and more thought provoking, i hope
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stoneinapond
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hmmm.. some elements are true, but it's somewhat of a deeper story than that (and more thought provoking, i hope
Good. Love deep and thought provoking films. Obviously the old man plays a part and what a wonderful face/character. But I'm assuming that wasn't the full trailer?
Watching yoyur footage again I was struck by how much the music and the strong acting provide a sense of "professional film", outside of the framing and the lens usage. As you say, you still have along road to go, but these little snippets certainly argue for something special.
roei z
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I Hope you also got the 1/8 grade filter !
From what I remember the 1/4 and above
Start to get too 'hazy' or 'foggy'.
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Ian-T
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Hey, I thought the same thing. If you just freeze frame his face while sitting in that chair the whole scene looks like it was cut out of a typical feature film.
With that said...I hope Roei z that you made sure the audio is right. That could make or break this movie. The snippets looks good so far.
roei z
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Yea it's not a trailer at all. Just good looking shots.
Your words are very important for me to hear, knowing that my efforts bringing up a different
Story are welcomed by you and hopefully other people.
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roei z
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Ian, I was wondering what you'll have to say,
I know you're a tough critic
don't you worry, audio was professionally recorded.
Took me a week to Tide up and sync all this mess !
roei z
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thanks Searcher. interesting to hear of certain shots that come up.
Justyn
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How did you handle the audio? Did you shoot single camera or multiple cams? Anything you'd do differently and or learned how to do differently next time? I think we all appreciate anyone doing a feature and being so open and candid to help others.
I know that when I do my feature I hope to have an ongoing dialgoue with people and get feedback and suggestions as I go. Kudos to you, fine sir!
I know that when I do my feature I hope to have an ongoing dialgoue with people and get feedback and suggestions as I go. Kudos to you, fine sir!
roei z
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It was the minimum requirements needed to just go and shoot:
- payed a soundman minimum fee, lucky for me he was a nice guy and he brought his own recorder and mics.
i also bought an NTG-3 and a boom pole so that was enough.
- used just the one GH2 i had. that was the only reason i bought it for. i also had to shoot it myself (couldn't trust anyone else eyes, not in 0 budget
).- i can just summon up that THIS SPECIFIC PRODUCTION somehow managed to work decently and get the desired results.
on the down side- there were a lot of production management issues, like continuity problems, on the spot sets, and of course un-controllable audio while shooting.
all these are quite enough headache to do things differently next time...
but to be honest (after doing some small budget commercial work), it's more fun and relaxing to create a movie in zero budget (at least a first film), that way you keep it in total creativity, find original solutions, and most important, not listening to other authority people.
*BTW, this weekend i finally started rough-cutting through the scenes. just passed one hour of decent edited stuff, so my mind is eased.
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Justyn
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Congrats and wish you all the best. I believe the key is to make the best film you can with what you have without going into major debt and going broke. I learned about the latter on my first feature, but now I'm not shooting film. To put this in persepective, on my first film I only shot 8 hours of film and that cost me over 20k in associated costs. Now for 20k, I could buy all the gear that I want and fly to the UK to shoot my feature.. and have some money left over for beers!
roei z
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you've done 1 feature already?? nice! how did it go? can i have a look at it somewhere?
yea i agree with you on not sacrificing more than you've got.
for me, it was the chance of delivering almost professional looking (true!) 2K res on a big screen
with this little cam that made me go and at least finish a shooting script with the money i was willing to spend.
but from now on - the serious money needs to be involved
i hope as an editor i could finish a decent rough cut to get me a good producer.
ryancglover
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So true! That's what I loved about making our film too!
Good luck with everything Roei. Really like what I've seen so far!!
roei z
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thanks brudney.
- shooting was a bit frustrating, cause the main actor was originally a friend who decided to quit after 25% shooting. so putting all my depression aside, changing the actor was
the best thing to do anyway. the film was gonna turn up total crap with the first one. so actual NEW shooting took a about 10 days, during a month.
- the biggest frustration was mentioned above (but- turned out to be a blessing), besides that, i used my wife as producer.
BIG mistake. unless she already works and likes the profession.
- other mistake and first time faults were: using too much non-actors. this can either be a good bet or a bummer that could ruin a scene. i think i managed to save it though.
for example, the old man and main actor are serious responsible actors, so shooting them was very easy and fast. other guy, a non actor, gave us a hard time until he managed to give good results, so his scene took longer, came out not quite perfect, and was very frustrating and will be hard to edit with reasonable continuity etc..
i think those were the main problems. other than that, uncontrollable noise on sets, clouds changing the light at crucial moments, little bit of dust on the lens, season ACTUALLY turning to summer during production (NEVER film on summer, at least in Israel. nightmare). all our sets were either- my flat, the coffe shop on our street, and other "take your risk and shoot" places. never got in any trouble.
can't think of any other major bummers.
hope that helps.
roei z
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Hey ryen. thanks for your words.
i was actually wondering what were your plans with the feature. i thought you finished editing long ago. what's up?
and also, how would you plan to do all the final sound mixing? post work? i mean budget wise..
First question, roei z - do you sleep? And when do you sleep, because with the time difference Israel - US, I still see you here any and every hour. Seriously though, lack of sleep will mess you up - try to get enough (hard, I know, when making a movie).
I think you have some nice ideas - I liked the music, and I liked the car lights and I feel like you have a lot of creativity, which is good especially when you have no money.
I have a different question, which rarely gets asked, but what about legal issues? Here in the U.S., to get distribution, you must get all your legal issues sorted out, not just the obvious ones like releases from cast and crew, but all sorts of permits and legal clearances so the distributor can pick up your film and not worry about getting sued. This is actually a big issue, because there is so much paperwork, and so many little legal things that can get quite expensive. The reason you don't hear about it often on Dvxuser (other than product placement and copyright issues), is because sadly, films made by many members don't get distribution, so the issues never come up... but if they did, it would be all over the place. I wonder, is the situation in Israel different? And I mean two things - legal issues when filming (permits, insurance etc.), and legal issues cleared up for distribution. Because you must take care of many of these even *before* you start shooting.
). I think you have some nice ideas - I liked the music, and I liked the car lights and I feel like you have a lot of creativity, which is good especially when you have no money
. I have a different question, which rarely gets asked, but what about legal issues? Here in the U.S., to get distribution, you must get all your legal issues sorted out, not just the obvious ones like releases from cast and crew, but all sorts of permits and legal clearances so the distributor can pick up your film and not worry about getting sued. This is actually a big issue, because there is so much paperwork, and so many little legal things that can get quite expensive. The reason you don't hear about it often on Dvxuser (other than product placement and copyright issues), is because sadly, films made by many members don't get distribution, so the issues never come up... but if they did, it would be all over the place. I wonder, is the situation in Israel different? And I mean two things - legal issues when filming (permits, insurance etc.), and legal issues cleared up for distribution. Because you must take care of many of these even *before* you start shooting.
ryancglover
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We had finished the rough cut a while back. We're working on the fine cut now, it's taking longer than we hoped and I wish I could spend more of my time on it, but we'll get there.
We're thinking of applying for some of our government's finishing grants and maybe some crowd funding to help with post sound and some festival submission fees.
roei z
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First question, roei z - do you sleep? And when do you sleep, because with the time difference Israel - US, I still see you here any and every hour. Seriously though, lack of sleep will mess you up - try to get enough (hard, I know, when making a movie
I think you have some nice ideas - I liked the music, and I liked the car lights and I feel like you have a lot of creativity, which is good especially when you have no money
I have a different question, which rarely gets asked, but what about legal issues? Here in the U.S., to get distribution, you must get all your legal issues sorted out, not just the obvious ones like releases from cast and crew, but all sorts of permits and legal clearances so the distributor can pick up your film and not worry about getting sued. This is actually a big issue, because there is so much paperwork, and so many little legal things that can get quite expensive. The reason you don't hear about it often on Dvxuser (other than product placement and copyright issues), is because sadly, films made by many members don't get distribution, so the issues never come up... but if they did, it would be all over the place. I wonder, is the situation in Israel different? And I mean two things - legal issues when filming (permits, insurance etc.), and legal issues cleared up for distribution. Because you must take care of many of these even *before* you start shooting.
thanks.
huh, it may LOOK like it, but most of the time my PC is just open with firefox, so it doesn't mean i'm actually there.
but still, i made myself some time, mostly in evenings, to get ahead with editing.
legal issues is a good question.. haven't had the time to really think about it, and also this is such a small scale production, so there won't be many problems, i hope..
besides, i really really hope that once i'll involve a serious producer to take care of all the 'nasty' parts that lay ahead, things would start to look more simple.
but that's a very interesting question. hope i won't get into too much trouble.
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