About Neoscene... And Premiere...

Polanski

Polanski

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Hi,
In the past I've thrown hundreds of dollars into the garbage can, buying products that don't do what they are supposed to accomplish.
Before Neoscene was in the market, I bought a product named DVFilm maker. http://dvfilm.com/maker/index.htm
Big mistake. I can't say the product does not convert 60i to 24p, but what it does is interpolate fields creating an ugly ghost.
Now, I'm a little careful before spending a cent. Economy isn't good anywhere. I downloaded the trial version of Neoscene to convert 7D MOV to AVI and test Premiere workflow.
First thing I noticed is that Neoscene converted my 7D 24p to 29p. Why? Doesn't it reconize my MOV 24p and preserve the framerate?
Second, when I dropped the AVI into Premiere timeline, it keep playing chunky, not smooth at all.
Was I doing something wrong? Is there any guideline to work with Neoscene?
I need desperately to find a way to convert those 7D MOV to something that can be managed smoothly in Premiere without degrading the original quality of those MOV.
I appreciate all comments.
Thanks
 
Can't help you with Neoscene as I don't use it, but you can try MPEG2 HD as a proxy. That's what I use. It's also used in Sony's EX cameras, Blu-ray, and several others. Just give it a high enough bitrate and it looks just as good, and plays perfectly in Premiere CS4. You can always use offline editing and simply swap the proxies for the originals if you want to render off of the original quality.
 
Neoscene is not going to get you smooth playback in Premiere. Prospect HD, another product from cineform is for realtime playback in Premiere ... but not in CS4 yet .. only CS3 and earlier as far as I know.

Sure there is a guideline to using Neoscene . Look on their site or in the installed folder as there is a help file there from what I remember.
 
what are you project settings in cs4 mhood? I havent tried neoscene yet but a friend of mine told me his files from the 7d without converting played smoothly in his system which is a duo core. i run a quad core, 8gb ram and a 206 core video card and it stutters for me. is it maybe a project settings issue? i'm using AVCHD 1080p.

I'm assuming i should be fine with neoscene however?
 
just checked the cineform site and it says prospect hd now works in cs4., if this is the case what is the workflow with premiere and 7d files. convert them in neoscene to 10bit avi files for better cc and then ALSO install prospect hd? or once you have prospect hd just edit 7d files directly?
 
I have neoscene and premier pro for CS4, it works great.

Go try the trail, that'll tell ya for sure. :)
 
mhood said:
It does for me...CS4.2, Dual Core Lenovo t61p, 2GB ram. :huh:
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ok well there are lots who don't , so count your lucky stars . But the realtime platform is supposed to be with Prospect HD. If you are getting flawless smooth playback at 1920x1080 in premiere CS4 with Neoscene , whats the point of Prospect then ? I mean I would never even bother if it was like this. btw I am not a prem user but it seems like the extra 600 bucks would be well spent elsewhere if this is true. :dankk2:
 
I don't have Prospect. I bought Neoscene and it works fine. Files are really big but playback in CS4.2 is fine.

@Mastermind: The AVCHD 1080p (or 720p) files don't play well at all for me (either on the desktop or in the CS4 timeline) but I am able to edit the AVCHD SD (480p) files without transcoding. Once transcoded to Cineform AVIs with Neoscene, the 1080p and 720p files play fine on my CS4 timeline in the "desktop" setting.
 
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Believe me, I understand your reservation about throwing away $100 on a third part plugin, but I can tell you, with no hesitation at all, that Neoscene is worth every penny, it's really the only option worth considering for a PC-based DSLR workflow imho, unless you are able to afford one of Cineform's higher-end products. On my modest $500 desktop I have seamless editing in premiereCS4 with Neoscene, on a 1080p timeline. The raw H.264 plays back at 2 or 3 frames per second on my system, the converted neoscene AVIs don't drop a single framat 30fps.

I can also confirm that Neoscene now recognizes and properly transcodes all of the 7D's frame rates, make sure to get the latest version becaus ein the very early days a bug existed that prevented this.

But you don't really need to trust my word on this, why not just go to the cineform website and download the trial? it's a totally working version of the program that works on your system for 7 days, and even once it expires you can still play back and edit your converted files, you just can't create new cineform files.

I wouldn't use anything else as a digital intermediate for a vDSLR workflow, too much generational quality loss. In theory, cineform actually increases the quality of your clip marinally on conversion, since it (sort of, tries to) intelligently interpolate chroma data to squeeze 4:2:2 out of your 4:2:0 source.
 
Eric Ferguson said:
In theory, cineform actually increases the quality of your clip marinally on conversion, since it (sort of, tries to) intelligently interpolate chroma data to squeeze 4:2:2 out of your 4:2:0 source.
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I can attest to that. I finally DLed the trial version and i can assure you as soon as its expired i'm buying the final version. The 4:2:2 color space REALLY creates an obvious improvement in chroma handling when CCing. VERY obvious. I cced 2 identical clips...one from neoscene and one not and i definitely saw that i could push colors more in the AVI from neoscene.
 
I do have to say though i'm still getting a bit of stutter on my right monitor in desktop playback. what i have to do unfortunately is drag my project window over to the right monitor instead and enlarge it to get smooth playback. i'm on a quad core 8gb ram and 206core videocard so i dont see why thats happening. but its not the end of th world since the above stated "fix" is a working solution.
 
One final question about neoscene. I've seen that its activation includes a hardware fingerprint. BTW, I hate that because I recall a streaming software I bought in the past, and I bought a new computer, contacted the company and they told me I had to buy another license.
What if I adquire a new system and I want to move? You know that happens sometime when we want a better performance.
Can I move my configuration to a new system or do I have to buy another license?
 
Polanski said:
One final question about neoscene. I've seen that its activation includes a hardware fingerprint. BTW, I hate that because I recall a streaming software I bought in the past, and I bought a new computer, contacted the company and they told me I had to buy another license.
What if I adquire a new system and I want to move? You know that happens sometime when we want a better performance.
Can I move my configuration to a new system or do I have to buy another license?
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Cineform software has a process of deactivating. As long as you run "activate.exe" and choose the "deactivate" link, then fill out the corresponding web page that comes up with the appropriate info, you will then be able to activate again on your new machine. I've done it MANY times over the past month trying to get my hardware just right.
 
I was also told by Cineform that I could activate two machines at the same time. I haven't tried that yet but plan to. I'd like to run it on a portable machine and a workstation at the same time.
 
That's sound great because I'm constantly reconfiguring my system. Yes I know about many software that you can activate and deactivate from the menu, like Adobe circus. But I was confused about this hardware fingerprint and my past bad experience.
 
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