A7RIi vs A7SII - going crazy, cannot choose

Circling the talent, probably not. Doing a pan, yes.

My RX100 IV has similarly bad RS when shooting 4k (numbers here). I shot all of this on a Nebula 4000, mostly at 24mm-equivalent FoV. I didn't leave out any shots because of RS.
 
ChadN said:
I feel pretty ready to order the a7RII, for photos and mostly Super 35 4K video. Only thing holding me back is that rolling shutter. Looks pretty extreme. Of course, i don't plan to shake the camera back and forth, but i do some gimbal work, maybe circling the talent or a change of direction here and there. Think i'd see rolling shutter in those cases?
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You may, if your moves are like that then you can do some good work in post to minimise the effect, there's some software called mercalli v4 which is one of the few that will tackle proper rolling shutter and warping, it's capable of some great results.

cheers
Paul
 
Also, as had been mentioned, there's less rolling shutter in full frame, which bins lines and results in a slight loss of resolution (closer to 2.5-3K).
 
ChadN said:
I feel pretty ready to order the a7RII, for photos and mostly Super 35 4K video. Only thing holding me back is that rolling shutter. Looks pretty extreme. Of course, i don't plan to shake the camera back and forth, but i do some gimbal work, maybe circling the talent or a change of direction here and there. Think i'd see rolling shutter in those cases?
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Have yet to lose a single shot to rolling shutter on a gimbal(in either FF or S35 modes), but then again its never been a problem for me(even back in the 5D days). So long as your technique is sound, I doubt you will ever have an issue.

Whip pans(while rare) are probably the only weakness of these cameras. Even still, there are ways around this with speed ramping, blur & anti-rs effects.
 
A few weeks in and I love the A7rII. not nearly as light sensitive as my A7s. just the nature of it all. it autofocuses well with my Canon glass and I can shoot stills in APS-C with plenty of resolution to work with.

i'm using it mostly for photography and personal/passion video projects though. DSLRs aren't my bread & butter for professional work.
 
Now when overheating issues are resolved in both cameras my pick goes to A7RII. The reason is that fantastic autofocus that makes it a perfect cameea for use on gimbal.
 
Samuel H said:
Circling the talent, probably not. Doing a pan, yes.

My RX100 IV has similarly bad RS when shooting 4k (numbers here). I shot all of this on a Nebula 4000, mostly at 24mm-equivalent FoV. I didn't leave out any shots because of RS.
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Hey Samuel, great work on that Dragon Age Cosplay video. The cosplayers looked just like their characters, the perfect setting, and i loved all the shots. Very encouraging to see no rolling shutter too.
My fiance and i are in to gaming and cosplay video, and we think a lot of the best come from Spain. Hope to visit there some day!
Thanks for sharing the rolling shutter numbers and the video!
 
LeoGrey said:
Have yet to lose a single shot to rolling shutter on a gimbal(in either FF or S35 modes), but then again its never been a problem for me(even back in the 5D days). So long as your technique is sound, I doubt you will ever have an issue.

Whip pans(while rare) are probably the only weakness of these cameras. Even still, there are ways around this with speed ramping, blur & anti-rs effects.
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That's great to hear. Yeah, i haven't shot with DSLRs or Sony's mirrorless line so i'm a bit leary of the rolling shutter. But i'm glad to hear you haven't lost a single shot yet. It seems as long as you're aware of the situation, you'd be good. Thanks for the info!
 
ChadN said:
Hey Samuel, great work on that Dragon Age Cosplay video. The cosplayers looked just like their characters, the perfect setting, and i loved all the shots. Very encouraging to see no rolling shutter too.
My fiance and i are in to gaming and cosplay video, and we think a lot of the best come from Spain. Hope to visit there some day!
Thanks for sharing the rolling shutter numbers and the video!
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Haha, so cool :)
Yes, these guys are really good, several of them went to the world finals of ECG and WCS, and Wilbur actually won the Yamato in Brazil in 2013!
Drop me a PM if you attend an event in Madrid, I basically go to all of them.

Edit: 95% of my youtube channel is cosplay-related, you may want to wander around; but if you are cosplayers, this is the one you should watch :)
 
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Love that video, Samuel! So nice to see the cosplayers who poured their hearts into their work enjoying the moment.
 
So, I bought the a7S II and ended up swapping it for an a7R II. The deal breaker for me was that the a7R II is a much better hybrid camera, with a far superior AF system that works with Canon glass.

I'm still not convinced I made the right decision, I still miss some of the features of the a7S II, custom zebras was super nice, and the full frame low light performance obviously incredible, I find the a7R II gets some pretty serious colour noise in the shadows even at ISO 1600. But if you live in APSC mode noise isn't such an issue.

Do love the a7R for stills though, but the camera really needs a thumb stick for manual AF point selection as the eye focus only works on native glass, and the 24-70 f4 is pretty garbage optically.
 
My RX100 IV has custom zebras, how come the a7R II doesn't? O_O

(also: if you're shooting at least 50% stills, I think you made the right choice with the a7R II instead of the a7S II)
 
I've been following this thread for a while - I made the decision to go with an S II because the R II's PDAF autofocus was a bit aggressive and overconfident during depth changes to make a compelling argument one way or the other. Fantastic for stills but still a bit green for video. I would require NX1 level phase detection to trust the system while recording, and the R II is not that. The S II certainly cannot track worth a darn, but for my subjects (my kids, cousins, etc), only the best sports cameras in the world can. To me, it boils down to that - while the R II is better, it's still not going to guarantee the shot. And I have to give up FF video IQ to get it. I'll pass.
 
I've read that a lot of people shoot the a7rII in "crop mode" to negate some of the bad aspects of its 4K video; so my question is does a Metabones Speedbooster Ultra adaptor still provide the full frame look or no or somewhere in the middle? I know on the FS7 it pretty much gives you the full frame look but I didn't know if the a7rII negated that effect when in crop mode?
 
Yes, it gives you the FoV and DoF of a 1.1x crop, which I consider just the same as FF.

The corners will be slightly softer than with an actual FF sensor, though (at least they are with my gen1 SpeedBooster).
 
Samuel H said:
Yes, it gives you the FoV and DoF of a 1.1x crop, which I consider just the same as FF.

The corners will be slightly softer than with an actual FF sensor, though (at least they are with my gen1 SpeedBooster).
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There's something slightly perverse about shooting crop on a full frame sensor with a speed booster!

Oh well...

:)

cheers
Paul
 
digitalinnovations said:
Haha! Kind of true.

So what FOV does the Speedbooster give if you're shooting full frame? That's the real question.
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Depends on the lens and its image circle. Some lenses you'd just see a port hole because the image circle isn't big enough, others you may get a wider FOV than the lens is rated for but performance at the edge probably isn't so good.

Generally the longer lengths appear to have larger image circles, wider less so.

It would be an interesting side by side, shoot a frame full frame and then speedboost it with a crop. Compare the two and see really how different they are. What put me off a bit with the original version is that the distortion is quite noticeable and that caused me issues. The latest ones could well be a lot better now.

cheers
Paul
 
This is a very good comparison: a7S II vs a7R II APS-C vs a7R II FF, in 4K, at all available ISO options on each one
https://youtu.be/zmque-kQHyM

The a7R II in FF mode is pretty good... as long as ISO 6400 is enough for you (which it should). I tend to think it's the option I'd go for if I got the $$$$ and the need for a new body.
 
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