A User owned and operated bittorrent TV Network?

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Well, again...I think it's a good idea and I think it could find a market. I'd watch it. Now if just a few other people could put together some interesting shows, I think we'd have the beginnings of a package.
 
Target Audience - Show Requirements - Feasibility

Target Audience - Show Requirements - Feasibility

JBarnes-

[Target Audience]
I feel what you're saying on the whole cohesive package thing. It would probably be ideal to have a network that catered to a specific group of people, just as far as presenting it. If Bit.TV (already taken, I checked) was just for [Sci-Fi] or [TechnoPeople] it'd be easier to have a look, or a vibe, I know.  But at the same time, since we're going to be scrambling for programming as is, I just don't think that it's possible.  

That said, I think there is a way to have drastically varied programming and play it up as an advantage, and not have the whole thing look and feel schizophrenic.

[Feasibility]
I think more important than being cohesive contentially speaking (I think I made that word up. Contentially. Hm.), is being cohesive, w.r.t. quality.  While there's a lot of talk about the financial potential of this idea, I really think that that's a secondary incentive at best (tertiary,actually).  

First, obviously and foremost, having an outlet for your work is ****ing splendid.

But secondly, to be associated with the "branded" go to place for quality independent productions is...well, valueless.  Imagine you were an author, and you happened to be deeply affiliated with Amazon? Do you think your new book might show up in the recommended reads from time to time? Or you were a short filmmaker and you helped start iFilm? Sometimes I hate nepotism, but mostly it's because I'm not involved on the receiving end of it...if we think that cable networks wouldn't LOVE to have a hunting ground for fresh new shows, then we might be crazy.  Amazingly enough we know for a fact that that hunting ground doesn't exist, otherwise we'd all be going absolutely nuts to get on it.

[Show Requirements]

Again, I also see what you're saying by requiring people to have a backlog of stuff they've already produced, because if people can't count on your site to have new content regularly, then they won't come back regularly.  That's definitely helped Homestarrunner.  No matter what, you know that on monday there'll be something new.  

-- That said (there's always the other hand, how sneaky), one of the sick perks of technology these days is the amount of time required between the inception and completion of an idea.  Undoubtedly there will be (and should be) situations where the show's very concept takes advantage of the potential rapidity of creative execution. (sounds like a real concept doesn't it?)  

I'm not saying that we shouldn't keep an eye out for people that will make one show, then be "behind" for 6 months, I'm just throwing this out there as something to be ready for -- "Due to the nature of my show, I can't have 6 episodes ready to go...but I assure you they'll be there on time, can I still get on you guys's network? - Aspiring Producer"

[why are these input boxes so freaking SMALL?]

Anyway, there's more stuff I want to respond to on page 2, so I'll pauuuuse.
 
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Woah, you used "tertiary" and "****ing splending" in the same paragraph. Kudos to you.

I think it helps to think of this idea as more of a video magazine then a linear broadcast, lest anyone get boxed into that paradigm. Along with the distinct advantages of a non-linear pick and choose style of programming, you’re not necessarily limited to specific run episodic. A 6 part series could be just as valuable as a 24 episode yearly run. Even single short films can have a content value if packaged correctly (say for example, a weekly hosted variety program showcasing independent short format films???)

However, while there is room for a wide variety of short run programming within the context of packaged branded content, everything must anchor around reliable programming in order to create the actual brand.

Indeed, there are some forms of programming that would require a backlog of content. Scripted programs, tutorial programs, etc. However, I agree that there’s a load of “lifestyle” and “news” content that must be created on the fly. It all depends on what the focus of the program is.

A P2P news show, as described in a post above, could easily maintain three stock episodes for distribution while working on new ones, however a topical political action oriented show would probably be more relevant if created in the news style of programming, combining longer term reporting with topical events taped in studio format.

While there is a lot of room for unconventional programming, the branding of this supposed network would rely on hitting two distinct points.

1. Creating an audience through programming that is either novel in creation or subject.

2. Generating return traffic through consistent content releases.

Mambo 4.5.1, which I’ve been tooling around with, has most of the underlying structure to facilitate a community of this type. It has built in content rankings, author rights management, forum support, content commenting (eventually), and can easily be paired with commerce software to facilitate side revenue streams.
 
Seriously.

Seriously.

Guys, my favorite hobby, most days, is to shoot down ideas. Mostly, I shoot down my own, but my accuracy is frequently wicked when it comes to shooting down the ideas of others. I'm sure being creative/technical types we all know what I'm talking about. <what an awful sentence>

I can't help but think that this is a good idea.

It might even turn out to be a great idea. Really. Of course I could be wrong and maybe we're all getting worked up about the internet equivalent of Crystal Pepsi, but I feel really strongly that we should at try, and we should start now. There is damn near -no- initial financial outlay to get it up and running, so there's no reason not to.

So I think we should come up with a couple names for our network, I lean towards something .TV, but whatever. But I think we should just brainstorm a few names we don't hate (naming things is my least-favorite hobby), pick one, get hosting, get a bulletin board up and running, and then get to work. There's absolutely no reason not to. We've all got gazillions of ideas for how to organize it, and I think we could get it relatively developed in 5-6 months and then hit the media with it, and suddenly find ourselves the kid with the new toy that everyone else wants to play with.

Bit.TV is taken, Bitt.TV, is available. Again I like the idea of a name that's completely unrelated, or if it's related then it's not technical in nature.

Anyone know anything about native american communication? I'm thinking of the Smoke Signals. You know, one person on a hill would send a message, and then it'd be relayed to the next. It's not a direct analog but it's close. Is there a nice short word associated with that? Or how about the name of that sequence in "Return of the King" where they light the fires across that huge whatever to indicate whatever they were indicating to the people of Gondor.

What about the talking drums that some african tribes used to communicate with one another over vast differences? Doing a quick google search I found several names, none of them seem really usable except maybe "adama.TV" which might have nice resonance because it has a feeling of -firstness- about it, and might be easily remembered, and has no other western cultural connotation associated with it, so far as I know.

I'm just free associating here, again, I'm bad at naming.
 
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yeah the splending thing was a typo, you MUST be online right now because I changed it 30 seconds later ;)
 
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I agree with absolutely everything you said in that post. For the record. And yeah I've been conceptually working with it more along the lines of a video magazine (like CNET) that you would every 2weeks (or 4 weeks, or whenever, depending on what shows you liked) downloaded the torrents of the shows you subscribed to.

I especially agree w/ you w.r.t. the branding, except I think that on some level the delivery method, and most importantly quality would almost (but not entirely) count as "novel in creation or subject".

This idea could potentially irk a lot of people. All of those "Buy my computer tutorial videos" might get hosed if there's a series "Computers for Parents" that puts all the info out there for free...and that's just for starters.
 
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I love the sound of Amanda.Tv, I dont know why? but i like it! ;D
As far as the show, we're going to start to do some perlimanary shooting Saturday, we're still experimenthing on the type off look we want! but once we get it down, We want to do one show a week, Its going to require a lot of hard work on our part, and right now i'm a little short on man power, but i attend and work at temple university, so am gonna start recruting ASAP!

I think if we have constant stream of programming that is always being updated on the network, Gentleman the world is ours! l 8)
 
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oops, it was ADAMA, but don't even sweat it, that name was taken. Amanda..Hmm. That name means "worthy of being loved", I wonder if it's...available. For $500. Uck.
 
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torrentialtv net org com are all available. (bittorrent...torrential...get it? maybe torrential is too hard to spell)

I have extra bandwidth and space on my host.

I could probably have a mambo version site up and running early next week if anyone wanted to get onboard.
 
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my bad on the amanda.tv I'm dislexic! :D, torrentialtv is good, but I also think some moght spell it wrong. What's a mambo server?
 
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Mambo is a content management software.  Basically, it's like a lego website.  You place stuff where you want it, add whatever features you want it to have and then publish it and it runs itself.

Its got a lot of user functionality built in.

I only suggest using it because I've built a website with it without knowing any HTML code.  

meaning it's easy...

my site is

www.filmmakersunion.org

and it's way crappy right now

www.mamboserver.com www.mamboportal.com

are better examples
 
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torrential might be too long. I feel like TV networks are better off short-ish. But I could be wrong.

FLOOD.TV I think is a potentially cool name, but it too is $500. Sigh.
 
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I like inventing new words. What about ripplecon.tv (as in TV content ripple through the net)?

It's available... and it sort of rhymes with leprechaun (hey, what's that? EVERYONE loves the Irish! leprechaun.tv is available, too!)
 
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TheSwarm.TV?

p.s.
I went ahead and registered FloodTV.net, .com, and .org. (total = $18. No big deal) I think they have potential, but I think Flood.TV is my favorite.
 
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The .tv extentions are $50 a year I think. floodtv isn't bad. it could work. We could definatly start putting something up under floodtv.

Also, mambo allows for extensive polls targeted at specific levels of users...meaning it provides an easy method of allowing specific people to vote on different topics. Very democratic.
 
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everyone loosing steam on this? I'd suggest we put up a site with a forum for further discussion. I've got some other ideas pertaining to this concept about business models and show ideas.
 
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im still excited about the whole idea! ;D It could definitely work and revolutionize the way content is distributed. I'm just a little confused on how the user will aquacire the shows. Will they have to download the .tor from the site and then use a client like BitTornado or Shareaza (i know is P2P) to download the content from other users, or is there a more efficient AND easier way?
 
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I actually have no experience with bittorrent, I just think it's a cool idea. From what I understand of it, the end user would need a bittorrent client and would aquire the torrent file from the central content page. THe tracker file would likely also be hosted on the same server and from there the client would proceed to download and share the file from a number of seeded sources.

As this could quickly add up to a ton of bandwidth, it seems that the most effective way to distribute the content is to have a number of seeded locations with the full contents of the file to draw from.

Initially I imagine this would lean heavily on home users with broadband connections. For example, if eight of us are working on this site together and all eight have a permenant broadband connection, it would make sense that we'd use our home computers to seed the content between all of us...thereby putting the majority of the load onto our home internet connections rather then upon a central paid bandwidth server.

Again, this is all conjecture, as I'm nothing even close to experienced with bittorrent.
 
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The real concept to watch for the long term is something being called "Broadcatching" which conceptually ammounts to a pushed bittorrent distribution towards a subscriber-based user pool. It's RSS syndication combined with Bittorrent file distribution, allowing a user to subscribe to specific content and then have that file automatically pushed to their computer when it becomes available.

You can read more about it here:

http://www.radzone.org/bclark/archives/000078.html

and here:

http://www.portlandphoenix.com/features/technophilia/documents/03689392.asp
 
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I've used bittornado before to download some pretty huge files like 3gb+. Its pretty impressive technology. It makes sense for everyone involved to donate some bandwith for a good cause i have a old computer laying around i could set it up permanetly to run 24hrs a day to upload, Unfortunately my RCN broadband caps out at about 768k upload, and I also use VoIP for my Business so that could also put a toll on the amount of available upload. Its a start!
 
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