A little better chip?

[New_Zealand]

A friend of mine has a Canon 650d he said the only differences between his camera and the 5d mkIII is just a little bit better chip and a slightly better picture and that is about it. I don't know much about the 650d except it cost about $500. Hmmmmm?????

 

[New_Zealand]

Okay let get some feedback on this. This guy says both camera are about the same he tested both and said why would any idiot spend $3000 or more on a 5d mkiii when they can get as a good enough camera as the 650d for only $500? He said one thing that make his camera better than the 5d is he can use both kind of lense which the 5d can only use the L glass.

 

[DPStewart]

Silly business.

The only thing that comes close to the 5D III is the 6D.

The 5D III is a fantastic rugged PROFESSIONAL camera built to work all day, day in and day out.
The 5D has a Compact Flash card slot in addition to the SC. (and a ton more pro features)
The 5D can shoot RAW with Magic Lantern and that DESTROYS all the other lower Canons.

 

[New_Zealand]

Does anyone know if you have control on sound recording or can hook up a monitor to the 650d? These are two things that help makes the 5d stand out besides the full frame.

 

[DPStewart]

Does anyone know if you have control on sound recording or can hook up a monitor to the 650d? These are two things that help makes the 5d stand out besides the full frame.

While there is a microphone input, there is no headphone monitoring output.

The Mini HDMI is advertised as being for playing back pictures or video on a HD TV.

The probability that the HDMI port can be used as a video minitor is low and clean HDMI out for an external recorder is almost certainly NOT possible.

In today's video camera market - this is NOT a serious contender. And it certainly cannot come close to a 5D iii.

 

[Ebrahim Saadawi]

Do you want a comparison between the 5D and 700D and what justifies the price difference?

Stills:

-22 megapixels vs 18 megapixels
-Much larger sensor, the advantages are enormous here. The DOF difference, the usage of the full image circle of FF sensors, the 2 stops better lowlight performance (an enormous difference in high ISO), higher dynamic range.
-Much larger, much clearer prism 100% Optical OVF with superimposed LCD information vs Tiny mirror 97% coverage OVF
-Larger, 10x stronger magnesium alloy body that sealed against dust and moisture vs a plastic body not sealed from anything.
-The larger body offers more controls, more buttons, a top LCD for quick access, twin separate dials for Iris and shutter.
-Higher frame rate even given the larger FF files.
-Significantly higher-end AF system, much more customizable and professional oriented 61 points system vs 9 points, it makes it possible to acquire focus much faster and track moving subjects reliably which is something nearly impossible with the 700D AF system.
-Ability to calibrate lenses Back/Front focus errors (MFA)
-Ability to adjust White balance manually (Kelvin no.)
-Ability to adjust ISO in 1/3 stop increments vs full stops
-Dual Card slots (CF + SD)
-Higher quality LCD panel that's larger and glass covered vs plastic (yet the 700D articulates and has touch function as an advantage)
-Chromatic abberations correction and distortion correction vs only viggentte correction on the 700D
-1/8000s shutter vs 1/4000s.
-Quiet shutter mode, and longer shutter life span
-Many little features like in-camera raw processing, longer buffer, ability to shoot small raw images, etc

Video:

-Much better video image quality, mainly in the aliasing/moire area. The 5D uses pixel binning and eliminates aliasing altogether while the 700D uses line skipping and the image is completely filled with moire and aliasing.

-Hugely improved lowlight performance, the 700D at 3200 ISO looks like the 5D III at 12800, or even slightly worse.

-FF DOF and image circle of course.

-Much better codec. 90mbps ALL-I vs 30mbps Long-Gop (less blocking and fine noise structure and ability to push and sharpen the image in post)

-Headphone jack + microphone jack vs only the later.

-Audio meters and control over levels

-Ability to silently adjust audio levels with a touch bad (and silently change settings like ISO using the same pad whilst recording)

-Ability to see Histogram (and RGB) in video mode,

-Much larger battery, thus more hours shooting

-Dual Media slots

-Full 1080p HDMI output, with timecode, meaning ability to record externally straight to ProRes or Avid DNxHD. 700D is a lower resolution output and contains icons so not recordable.

-LCD stays on whilst outputting HDMI Full 1080p to external monitor

-The un-official but HUGE advantage: ability to record Full 1080p 14bit 444 Raw video to internal CF card due to the faster card slot while on the 700D the single Slower SD slot can't handle it. This is a big feature, allows the camera to produce images better than most other competitor cameras out there in 2015, an image 10 times as much better as the 700D image, much much sharper, much higher DR, 40 times the colour information amount, no compression at all, plus ability to record 2.5K raw in crop mode. The Raw feature on the 5D has reached a stage where it's completely reliable and easy to use. It puts the camera in a whole other league.

-Ability to set WB manually in Kelvin

-Ability to change ISO in 3rd stop increments,

These are the ones I can remember but there are even more. Whoever told you there is no difference between the 700D and 5D is incorrect. That doesn't make him a lier, it's just maybe all the previously mentioned features are not of any significance to him and he just finds the images from the 700D good enough for most uses, I actually agree. But if we count the differences between the two cameras they're huge. Well over worth the price difference if you need them.

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Anyway, both of these cameras have been surpassed in video quality and features a long time ago.

-Nikon D3300, D5200, D5300, D5500
-Panasonic G7, LX100
-Sony a5100, a6000
-Samsung nx500
-Canon's own 750D and 760D

The 700D produces an outdated image quality in video mode by todays standards compared to these cameras at the same price points (talking only video here not stills, it's an excellent competitive stills camera). They are all much sharper, no aliasing, Clean HDMI 1080p, better ISO performance, much better video assist features (zebras/peaking etc), better audio, better codecs, longer battery lifes, etc

And the 5D if you will not use RAW, there are better video options, mainly the Sony A7s, A7r II, NX1, GH4, are the top players for video in both image quality and usability, even the C100 is now 5D III price which is an insanely better video camera, but again this is just video I am talking about here when it comes to stills the 5D is better than those, and if you shoot raw using ML the 5D image is higher quality than those too, so unless you'll be shooting raw don't use the 5D III for video now, it's been surpassed long ago.

 

[Samuel H]

The 5D3 is pretty good (not the best anymore, but decent). The 700D is pretty bad (not for 2010, but definitely for 2015). For video, really can't be much more different than those two right now.

 

[DLD]

Silly business.

The 5D III is a fantastic rugged PROFESSIONAL camera built to work all day, day in and day out...

I was at Best Buy last Saturday ... picked up 5D MK III ... dropped it to the floor .. no one batted at eye ... I slipped it back into its plastic holder and quietly sauntered off toward a Sony counter ... hope I wasn't on a security cam or nothing ...

 

[New_Zealand]

I think I bought that camera - I shook it and there was some kind of rattle sound coming from it LOL

 

[Policar]

To play devil's advocate, I don't see that big a difference in image quality under good light and when aliasing isn't a problem. I might downgrade from my 5D Mark III to a 70D for my b/stills camera, but I basically stopped shooting so I just have a 5D Mark III lying around. :/

 

[drdimento]

If it matters, a former 5D2, 7D, 6D, 60D, owner/user and various Canon video cameras, the 5DM3 surpasses all the formers in photo use and output quality. The images are outstanding. Shooting a group of about 200 people from birdseye above outdoors on a cloudy day in raw at about a 100 foot distance with the 24-70 f2.8 L zoom lens, one can zoom in on the images in lightroom, photoshop, or print and see freckles and even eyelashes.

PHOTO: The 5D3 is my camera of choice for photos and totally reminds me of using my Nikon FM2 with awesome glass and Extachrome 400ASA film (wow too long ago). This 5D3 is by far "the" film right on look I sought since going digital.

VIDEO: As a producer of over 400 broadcast television programs and over 1,000 "other" commercial, event, and wedding, video productions a DSLR will never ever have the utilitarian function and quality as a video camera of the same genre of stature. The 5D3 takes some awesome video, that there is no doubt, but alone side my Canon XA20 other than DOF controls, I'd almost be willing to offer $$ for someone to reveal the difference AND that difference be noticeable to 99.99% of the viewing public . . let alone . . the XA20 has to be one of the lightest, sweetest, and easiest to use pro video cameras on the market. Unless you are looking for specific performance from a camera, like low low low light definition, DOF, and are willing to give up ease of operation, a VIDEO CAMERA (camcorder) is the way to go.

ADDITIONAL VIDEO CONSIDERATION: Moreover, to all the above, I don't know about anyone else, but for the price of even ONE XA20, one can have 5 GoPro Hero 4 Silver's and for a 5D# one can have 7 of them. For me, multiple angles are much better than one really nice camera UNLESS stills are a must, then the 5D3 is hard hard hard to beat for the money and image quality . . I know I haven't found one and I've tried a lot of similarly priced cams.

 

[ROCKMORE]

If it matters, a former 5D2, 7D, 6D, 60D, owner/user and various Canon video cameras, the 5DM3 surpasses all the formers in photo use and output quality. The images are outstanding. Shooting a group of about 200 people from birdseye above outdoors on a cloudy day in raw at about a 100 foot distance with the 24-70 f2.8 L zoom lens, one can zoom in on the images in lightroom, photoshop, or print and see freckles and even eyelashes.

PHOTO: The 5D3 is my camera of choice for photos and totally reminds me of using my Nikon FM2 with awesome glass and Extachrome 400ASA film (wow too long ago). This 5D3 is by far "the" film right on look I sought since going digital.

VIDEO: As a producer of over 400 broadcast television programs and over 1,000 "other" commercial, event, and wedding, video productions a DSLR will never ever have the utilitarian function and quality as a video camera of the same genre of stature. The 5D3 takes some awesome video, that there is no doubt, but alone side my Canon XA20 other than DOF controls, I'd almost be willing to offer $$ for someone to reveal the difference AND that difference be noticeable to 99.99% of the viewing public . . let alone . . the XA20 has to be one of the lightest, sweetest, and easiest to use pro video cameras on the market. Unless you are looking for specific performance from a camera, like low low low light definition, DOF, and are willing to give up ease of operation, a VIDEO CAMERA (camcorder) is the way to go.

ADDITIONAL VIDEO CONSIDERATION: Moreover, to all the above, I don't know about anyone else, but for the price of even ONE XA20, one can have 5 GoPro Hero 4 Silver's and for a 5D# one can have 7 of them. For me, multiple angles are much better than one really nice camera UNLESS stills are a must, then the 5D3 is hard hard hard to beat for the money and image quality . . I know I haven't found one and I've tried a lot of similarly priced cams.

I've been shooting all the Canon DSLR cameras every day since the first 550d arrived in 2009 for both stills and video. They are all great and no fundamental difference in video IQ in any of them from the 550D to the 5D3 or any new releases. They all produce a pleasing film like picture, not the sharpest but ok. Some perform better in low light like the 5D3, but I had to do a night shoot at a rooftop bar with a 5D3 and the results at high ISO were pretty bad. I always try to shoot in acquitted light.
The only place to see major IQ step up would be shooting raw files, Blackmagic, Red, or equivalent. The huge advantage I've experienced with my Canons is shooting raw still vs m-jpeg. That is the day and night improvement I'm looking for in video.
If that's not available there may never be a need to buy a new and "improved" Canon offering baby steps in IQ performance.
Like most I'm let down by Canon dragging their heals to add meaningful options to their consumer cameras, but don't take it personally, because that's just business.
That said Canon DSLR cameras have never failed me on any shoot in the past 6 years however much I abuse them. They are what they are, reliable in their price class. They have put a lot of food on my table, no regrets.
I do think my next system will be a Sony a7rII for daily, and an Ursa mini raw.