a 49mm ND filter between the 16mm pancake and wide converter?
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legrevedotcom
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Heh... nice thought, I have to try that out! I have a 49mm star filter lying around from old times hehe. Would be fun seeing how that would look with the wide angle on top!
Cheesyness! Here I come ;P
Cheesyness! Here I come ;P
FoleyProductions
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From another forum, I've got a negative answer to my question
Looks like with any filter on the pancake, the bayonet will not work for the converter... Pity.
I'm waiting on my 16mm pancake...any probably the wide convertor...so what are the ND options...matt box?
moldcad
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Probably none - the wide converter has its petal hood fixed permanently, making it problematic to use a matte box (well, yuou can use a matte box actually, but without a filter in it - lol). Bummer
alaskacameradude
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That's a bummer, I have seen a Sigma 8-16 lens available in Sony A mount. Not very fast as I think it's like F4.5,
but might be OK for the extreme wide angle option.
but might be OK for the extreme wide angle option.
FoleyProductions
Member
Guess I'll have to use just the pancake w/ND for any glidecam work...huh? Hope the 16mm is wide enough...
DerranNL
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The 16mm is pretty wide without the ultra wide converter. I can't do the math, but simply looking at the footage it gives about the same wide view as the TH13x3.5 (1/3") lens, without the barrel distortion or CA I noticed from time to time. 
The Tokina 11-16 is a great wide lens for the FS100, but if you're using it on a handheld stabilizer it's (to) heavy to hold for most people.
Really wish Sony would make a new ultra wide converter for the pancake without the fixed hood!
I'm afraid we'll just have to use high shutters until someone makes a new small ultra wide lens.
The Tokina 11-16 is a great wide lens for the FS100, but if you're using it on a handheld stabilizer it's (to) heavy to hold for most people.
Really wish Sony would make a new ultra wide converter for the pancake without the fixed hood!
I'm afraid we'll just have to use high shutters until someone makes a new small ultra wide lens.
moldcad
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I've just got both the 16mm NEX pancake and the 0.75x converter. The pancake does look a bit soft at the edges, but with some apertures (around F8) it's not that bad at all. And the combo gives a very nice & wide look, surprisingly free of excessive barrel etc. Overall, I'm satisfied.
That said, shooting in bright sunshine will require breaking the video rules, and excessive use of high shutter speeds
That said, shooting in bright sunshine will require breaking the video rules, and excessive use of high shutter speeds
DerranNL
Member
... That said, shooting in bright sunshine will require breaking the video rules, and excessive use of high shutter speeds
Perhaps you can just leave the wide converter off in those circumstances and use a fixed ND filter?
Too bad we have to choose between high shutter or a less wide view. But the 16mm is still very wide. I always go for the higher shutter, because I really want the ultra wide view on a Steadicam / stabilizer.
moldcad
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I'm using one of the 2 options:
- fixed ND8 (3 stops; still not enough to go much below F10 in full sunshine and 1/50th shutter, but flexible enough), used with the petal hood from the 18-55 NEX lens
- the vario-ND (77mm Heliopan; used with Marumi 49->77 step-up ring and the Marumi wide-angle rubber hood)
The latter is much heavier, but gives a complete freedom
- fixed ND8 (3 stops; still not enough to go much below F10 in full sunshine and 1/50th shutter, but flexible enough), used with the petal hood from the 18-55 NEX lens
- the vario-ND (77mm Heliopan; used with Marumi 49->77 step-up ring and the Marumi wide-angle rubber hood)
The latter is much heavier, but gives a complete freedom
Nirv
Carbonite Member
In my experience the 16mm pancake requires a good stopping down just to make it usable. It's very soft at maximum apertures.
A high fixed ND + lots of aperture are the best option for this rather average lens. IIRC F11 is where the lens is sharpest.
I was considering buying the extender for it but will save my money as you can't fix filters.
The Tokina looks like the best option for wider FOVs but not necessarily for Steadicams. If there is a newer version coming maybe the secondhand market will be flooded with upgraders selling their old lenses.
A high fixed ND + lots of aperture are the best option for this rather average lens. IIRC F11 is where the lens is sharpest.
I was considering buying the extender for it but will save my money as you can't fix filters.
The Tokina looks like the best option for wider FOVs but not necessarily for Steadicams. If there is a newer version coming maybe the secondhand market will be flooded with upgraders selling their old lenses.
moldcad
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Sorry, but you're contradicting yourself - "high fixed ND+lots of aperture" will made it softer, as you said in your first statement that "the 16mm pancake requires a good stopping down just to make it usable. It's very soft at maximum apertures"
Anyway - I guess this is just wording; we all agree that a mediocre lens like this has a "sweet range" which tends to be narrower than with high quality lenses. This is why I deliberately gave up on the ND 1.5 filter, and bought an ND0.9 instead - now I can use the pancake at F10 which is the middle of the sweet range...
Nirv
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Maximum aperture is when the lens is open most. I think you'll find I did not contradict myself.
moldcad
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Yes - this is how I interpret it, too.
I still think you do. But maybe I have a bad day - very hot today here in Poland