7D Native File at 60p...

I haven't encountered any, not that I specifically set out to look for it. That file's 1080/25p, is there a difference? Shouldn't be, but... well, if I can ever get my GH1 back from Jack, I'll do some aliasing tests between it and the 7D (assuming, of course, that TigerDirect ever bothers to ship my 7D...)
 
This is pretty terrible 720P. If I ever accidentally shoot 720 on this camera I'll slit my bicep open and stick Chile Picante Corn Nuts in the wound... then lift weights for three hours non stop.
 
Kholi said:
This is pretty terrible 720P. If I ever accidentally shoot 720 on this camera I'll slit my bicep open and stick Chile Picante Corn Nuts in the wound... then lift weights for three hours non stop.
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Damn, that sounds rough. So then if what I shoot is skiing and use 720/60p on my HMC about 80% of the time, I'm guessing this isn't the camera for me? Does the HMC's 720/60p look better?
 
Absolutely. The 720/60 doesn't make or break the 7D for me, but I won't be using it. I'd rather whip out the heavy-ass RED to shoot Slow Mo.
 
Kholi said:
Absolutely. The 720/60 doesn't make or break the 7D for me, but I won't be using it. I'd rather whip out the heavy-ass RED to shoot Slow Mo.
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Hmm. Too bad about the 720p. Could have been useful. Maybe too much pixel binning...

And I know we aren't really supposed to talk about non-existent products, but the whole concept of 250fps @ 2K really makes me want an Epic-X.
 
I'm pretty confident in saying that if you have something that depends on slow mo, you must use a different camera. The aliasing is beyond terrible in 720p and slowing it down just gives you more time to look at it.

You MAY be able to get away with it if you've got a lot of shallow shooting going on. How often are those shots slow mo?

And, always remember: regular audience won't notice or care if what's in front of the camera is good enough. So if that helps...
 
Thanks Kholi. I was going to order this camera in the next day or two, but I think I will give it a few days to see what comes of this.
 
Barry_Green said:
Kholi, is the "beyond terrible" comment based on your experience with the 7D, or looking at others' footage?
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It's based on at least the camera I have. Maybe I have a defective production model?

I shot around with some 720/60 yesterday before we got to location...and oh boy. It's quite nasty. LoL. It feels strange to say that it's not a 720 camera. Does anyone really care if it's not a 720 camera?

The 1080/24 is McSick.
 
seven.b said:
Thanks Kholi. I was going to order this camera in the next day or two, but I think I will give it a few days to see what comes of this.
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If you're using 720/60 a lot or plan on it, defintiely wait until more footage pops up to make a decision. Maybe I had high expectations, even the GH-1's 720 was serious business... but this...

It's not a let down, though. The 1080/24 is still super nice.
 
Let's just say that I did not notice the aliasing all that much in the video footage provided at first, so I think there is a little too much "hunting" going on for this sort of thing. After opening the clip in QT and slowly scrubing through the footage, I was able to notice a very slight, soft, aliasing on the metal piping at the top of the ramps, but nothing I would say is objectionable, or unuseable.

I was more interested in the cameras ability in regard to detail, latitude and color reproduction than anything. Plus, it was a lot steadier than I thought it would be so props to the OP and props to the lens. I will definitely use the 720p 60 from the 7D in combination with my HMC150 whenever I need two cams shooting 60 fps.
 
If you're shooting shallow it wouldn't be too terrible. But Wide and anything with heavy patterns, lots of curves, etc, is going to show it and show it quickly.

Choose well!
 
Wow that is a lot of jaggies. Gotta say much more than I expected from all the talk. I gotta say my first impression with the video was "this screams video". Not sure if it was just the combination of all the jaggies mixed with the 60p but the colors seemed that way to my eye as well. I'm curious what the 1080p looks like now.
 
Nitsuj said:
I'm curious what the 1080p looks like now.
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Much cleaner than anything you've seen online so far from the 7d, that's for sure.

Side by side with MKii, focal lengths matched, DOF matched, it's nearly indistinguishable. Only aliasing on 7D is slight more tamed. I'll let the real testers prove either way, but the 1080/24 is pretty satisfying.
 
I thought it looked video-ish, but that was more from the sky and colors than anything else (not that any claims were made for it looking filmic to start with). The aliasing didn't reall bug me, although anytime I paused the video it was easy to see.
 
I'm working on filming other stuffs with my 7D, but I did shoot a little test today with the optimized settings. I think it looks good if you turn off the sharpness. Certiainly more detail than most of the other dslrs at 720.

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I shot focus charts with 5d and 7d both at 29.97 today. The aliasing was identical. I will shot with other framerates.

Also - shot color charts with same settings. 5d and 7d side by side (like Kholi said) are indistinguishable for the most part.

Only difference I've seen is that the 5d is better at handling underexposed areas.
 
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