7D for chroma Keying??? or 5D or get another brand for this

here are some tests Ive done with the 5D mark II.

Barry, if you thought the C47 guys test was easy...I raise you one ANIMATRONIC CAT.

I was blown away with its quality. It blew my old HVX200 out of the water even considering the H264 codec

I would assume that if the 7D's noise pattern is a little worse, but the bitrate of the H264 codec is higher than the 5D your looking at some very similiar results.

http://extranet.modea.com/hasbro/furreal/tests/ball_test.mov

(user is hasbro...pass is pawtucket)

(around 27mb, so let it load)

Chaz

you win. that was very nice
 
Well, one thing to consider beside codec limitations is that often in a green-screen set-up a shallow DOF is not desirable, rather the opposite. So a small sensor camera can actually have a advantage over a vDSLR here as you don't need to pump up the light levels as much to step down the aperture for a deeper DOF. For example hair strands slightly out of focus are a ***** to key even at 4:4:4, they tend to pulse in and out of the matte with a life of their own.
 
here are some tests Ive done with the 5D mark II.

Barry, if you thought the C47 guys test was easy...I raise you one ANIMATRONIC CAT.

I was blown away with its quality. It blew my old HVX200 out of the water even considering the H264 codec

I would assume that if the 7D's noise pattern is a little worse, but the bitrate of the H264 codec is higher than the 5D your looking at some very similiar results.

http://extranet.modea.com/hasbro/furreal/tests/ball_test.mov

(user is hasbro...pass is pawtucket)

(around 27mb, so let it load)

Chaz


most of my work involved compositing, and even though i ordered the 7d I had my fears. seeing this totally erased those fears.

Thanks for posting.
 
here are some tests Ive done with the 5D mark II.

Barry, if you thought the C47 guys test was easy...I raise you one ANIMATRONIC CAT.

I was blown away with its quality. It blew my old HVX200 out of the water even considering the H264 codec

Fur looks nice, but I couldn't help but notice artifacts on the whiskers. Now most blondes don't have whiskers, but they do have stray hairs. I guess you can always choke the stray hairs out.
 
Fur looks nice, but I couldn't help but notice artifacts on the whiskers. Now most blondes don't have whiskers, but they do have stray hairs. I guess you can always choke the stray hairs out.

two schools of thought here:

if by artifacting you mean the aliasing and brief reflections, then yes its a little funny.

if by the fact that you can actually see the whiskers, I would consider that a plus.

DV and even DVCProHD used to just produced one huge blurry pixel where that whisker would be.

(joke)

Ill post more stuff soon.
 
I can think of one: Better codec. I believe it's something like double the data rate than HDV.
 
two schools of thought here:

if by artifacting you mean the aliasing and brief reflections, then yes its a little funny.

if by the fact that you can actually see the whiskers, I would consider that a plus.

DV and even DVCProHD used to just produced one huge blurry pixel where that whisker would be.

(joke)

Ill post more stuff soon.

I don't know the term for it, but sometimes parts of the whiskers become big white blocks. This is distracting, and it shows that you've manipulated the image. I'm not saying that DVCPro HD can do better, but for me, I would mask out the whiskers rather than show the flashing.

So I agree that it is a plus that you can see the whiskers, but until you can see it correctly, it is not an advantage.
 
I don't know the term for it, but sometimes parts of the whiskers become big white blocks. This is distracting, and it shows that you've manipulated the image. I'm not saying that DVCPro HD can do better, but for me, I would mask out the whiskers rather than show the flashing.

So I agree that it is a plus that you can see the whiskers, but until you can see it correctly, it is not an advantage.

I thought the flashing was from the whiskers getting a little shine from the lights, i.e. the whiskers are molded plastic and are reflecting the lights back at the camera, which creates the white blocks for a moment. At least that what it looks like to me. It doesn't look like the codec is failing.
 
If you are going to be chroma keying in a studio, I would recommend a camcorder with an uncompressed HDMI out and capture with the Black Magic card. You aren't going to get much cleaner than that, and you want the BG to be in focus for tracking markers when necessary.

One of the Canons like the HV-20, 30, or 40 would be a good choice. I think the HVX-200, 170 are uncompressed out of the HDMI as well.

You'll get the fine detail of smoke and hair better with these than anything else in the price range.
 
I don't think the 7d would be ideal since you wouldn't need a shallow depth of field for green screening or compositing. And its 4:2:0 color space and aliasing could be issues. However, it'd still be miles better than standard def mini-dv, which is a nightmare even with something as great as dvmatte.
 
I don't know which post it was but I seen someone using the HDMI out of the 7D for keying. That output is supposed to be 4:2:2. FYI
 
http://www.syndicate.se/Files/Misc/7D_greenscreen.jpg
Its the best sharpness 7D can do or something is not right wit the lens?
Looks like upscaled SD
I think it was you who asked this in another post. It's kind of misleading because that's not the actual image size... If in doubt download the commercial they shot that's on their site. The commercial is rendered at 1024x576 but looks pretty sharp to my eyes. But I still need to see an HD version.
 
How do I upload a .PNG file? I see that the allowed file types are :
jpg jpeg tif gif wmv mov avi txt zip at the member upload center.
 
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