7d - buy ?

M

morgan_moore

Major Contributor
OK what are the pros and cons of purchase

I think the crop sensor offeers the perfect DOF for cinematography

The frame rates are superb

Is that all that is needed in a camera

What else will we desire.

To me the cost of all of these camera is pretty cheap - if they are good for a couple of years

Buying a camera every six months does grate a little

What I really want is a FF nikonD4, (CanonDS or scarlet) with XLR , monitored sound and a RAW codec and AF and of course

So its another not quite camera - buy or not?

S
 
Until you see more tests there's no way to tell. The anti-aliasing filter for one is a big deal. Handling highlights is another. Also HDMI out while not a deal breaker, makes it easier so you can use lcd monitors on a rails rig, so it's easier to see in tight areas. Right now there's a lot we don't know. My eyes are on this cam, but I'll let Kholi and some of the others give it some tests before I buy.
 
Interestingly if my 5d has 'no value' now it has cost 2k over nine months..

£ 2,000.00 cost
9 months life
270 Days life
£ 7.41 Daily Rental

Worth it IMO

The 'cost' would be even less on this baby

S
 
Don't worry - how many miles you got on it. I may buy it from you. My wife is a pro photographer and for still images the 5D is still the best camera. Now I'm in the market for a 5D and maybe a 7D LOL
 
It would be a good stills camera if I had any canon glass and didnt already own a D3 and a HassyH22

This reminds me of the stills period a few years ago when I spooled through nikon D100, D70 and D80 in what felt like a few months, I never bothered with D1x or D2, D2x, because I knew that in the big picture all those cameras where a POS that would only last one year - my stills requirement was 10+mp in a decent body with a sensible RAW buffer - I have that now

The D3 and the H22 are proper tools that even if outdated are still making me very happy

My D90 was superceded in two months !

Of course to an operator with a bit of spare cash the 5d remains the best tool for lowlight, dreamy slo-mo, and a 14 2.8 FOV

S
 
I pre-ordered mine this morning at 8am from Amazon...got confimation and an order number. I've just read that Amazon has pulled the pre-order page. I guess they filled their quota. Shades of GH1 Hell Batman!!!!
 
octopi_films said:
Why don't you all go and pre order the 7d at best buy:
Click to expand...

not sure why I would buy that is the point of the thread..

For..

Framerate
handle able DOF from super35 sensor

against

have a 5d/EX1
no XLR/monitor/levels
not nikon* (!)
no decent AF
not RAW
5d may IMO get framerate

Some of those things may be sorted in the next three months by another model- its the same old question of bleeding edge vs snoozing/losing

It is my opinion that Nikon will eventually get thier sh1t together (D4) and produce something stunning - as may sony or even Red or a Canon 1DXX

One of those will be 'the final solution' as the D3x is IMO for stills

S
 
You should quickly purchase this cam before it is back ordered till next year. The price is so low that everyone will try to get one. I think over half of the GH1 orders will be canceled and will preorder the 7D. I just preordered for $1650 after cashback from Bing!
 
I did make mumblings at my dealer - one of the smaller UK pro shops - Im top of their list

the sort of place canon will want to have stock at , Im not up for internet shopping -maybe getting old or something

Its strange how one gets attached to a lump of plastic (the 5d) its so 1990s to have connection to an item, the modern way is to think about these things costing by the month - thats also tragic in terms of its environmental impact - Id much prefer a digiback for my Nikon F3 and keep my footprint lower in terms of all the fancy materials being pissed up the wall wiuth dumped consumer stuff -im just considering dumping heaps of outmoded technology old CRTs etc that is costing me to store and cost me $1000s to buy

S
 
Last edited:
Something also to consider, assuming you can float the $2K, is that most retailers have a pretty good return policy. You can pre-order it now assuring you will receive it relatively quickly in October. If things don't turn out well and our beloved DPs find it to be a real disappointment, you can usually either 1) call and cancel your pre-order or 2) return the item undamaged and in original packaging for a full refund.
 
I'm one for passing on the 7D. I don't need 8fps, and I don't want a crop sensor. I'd rather have that extra dof control when I want it and just dial it up when I don't. It's true the 7D's APS-C sensor is closer to s35mm, but it's still a bit smaller! When stacked up against 35mm it's even smaller still and when compared to 135, or full-frame it's really really small!

I'm taking this opportunity to pick up a used 5D Mark II at a much reduced price and just shoot 30fps for commercial work. Remember, you can always go down, but you can't always go up! This holds true for both frame rates and sensor sizes as well.
 
Then if you only wanted the video side the price of the new Panasonic is under $2,000.

AG-HMC40 FEATURES

· HD formats: 1080/60i, 1080/30p, 1080/24p (Native); 720/60p, 720/30p, 720/24p (Native)
· Three newly designed 1/4.1" Progressive 3MOS Imagers for full HD resolution
· 12x Leica Dicomar lens, 43mm filter Ø, zoom range of 40.8 - 490mm* (*35mm equivalent.)
· Extremely slow, smooth zoom for the precise control needed for dramatic sequences
· Time Date Stamp enables shooting Legal Depositions or Surveillance
· Long record time: 3 hours with included battery (7 hours continuous with 5,800mAh Battery)
· Remaining battery time readout in minutes so shooter is warned
· 3-second pre-record function captures the shot from the beginning
· Shooting assist functions: focus expand, focus bar and Face Detection feature in Auto
· Waveform monitor helps with luminance for green screen where lighting has to be evenly distributed
· Professional interface with HDMI out, Component Out (mini D terminal), Composite Video Out and RCA Audio Out
· Additional features include: three user set buttons, Time code (DF, NDF, REC RUN, FREE RUN) and USER BIT, two scene files, auto functions (Auto Focus, Auto White Balance and Auto Neutral Density)
· Connects directly to PictBridge photo printers
· 2.7-inch 16:9 Touchscreen LCD display (Just touch the thumbnail for playback)
· Manual and remote control connection for Zoom, Focus, Iris, Start/Stop functions (similar to HMC150). Focus ring can also be used for Iris and Zoom
· Min. Illumination: 1 lux, (F1.8, Gain: +34dB, Slow Shutter: 1/2 sec.)
· Syncro Scan Shutter, 60i- 1/60-1/250, 30p- 1/30-1/250, 24p- 1/24-1/250
· Selectable Gammas & DRS Dynamic Range Stretch
· Lightweight, yet durable, design with removable handle
· Optional AG-MYA30G Professional XLR adapter available (features audio inputs with +48V Phantom Power, Mic/Line, Attentuation, Ch 1&2 or Ch2, Level Controls and Mic Holder (8 pin push on precision connector)
· Edius Neo 2 edit software included in carton (Through March 2010)
· 3-Year limited warranty (1 year + 2 extra years upon registration)


$1995 LAUNCH PRICE
 
and as usual, the best buy USA site differs from the Canadian site..

Can anyone link me to a site that's taking pre-orders that will ship to Canada? Much appreciated.
 
Zim said:
Then if you only wanted the video side the price of the new Panasonic is under $2,000.

AG-HMC40 FEATURES

.....
· Three newly designed 1/4.1" Progressive 3MOS Imagers for full HD resolution
· 12x Leica Dicomar lens, 43mm filter Ø, zoom range of 40.8 - 490mm* (*35mm equivalent.)
· Extremely slow, smooth zoom for the precise control needed for dramatic sequences
· Time Date Stamp enables shooting Legal Depositions or Surveillance

....
$1995 LAUNCH PRICE
Click to expand...

If I'm paying 2 grand I want a camera with a bigger sensor than a $500 prosumer camcorder. Pass.

However it would make a good cam for surveillance with that nifty "date/time stamp feature" :grin: It'd be the most dramatically sequenced shoplifting evidence you've ever seen, thanks to the slow control zoom.


.....I jest. Kind of. I'm bored and I've got 7D on the brain.
 
Id like to resume the question - to buy or not..

I have an EX1 and a 5d,

Reasons not to get the new canon

For RnGun use
-no sound capablitity
-short record times
-hard to focus
The EX1 is better for RnG

For Art use..
Im going to need to re-lense at the wide end
My 14 2.8 becomes a standard wide and its actually pretty bendy/distorted and cr&p
F2 wides are big bucks
I get a hunch that transitions to blown are not so nice - and transitions to blown are REALLY important to keep light budget down
I get a hunch that lowlight is not so nice

Another thought , filming movies with created scenes and sets one can 'direct for not needing to blur everything out behind'

On lower budgets the ability to throw the background becomes more important - meanin FF =Good

I can do a 'reasonable' reframerate IF a broadcast customer comes along

Tramm may crack the framerate

So the 5d is better for art

For stills
The 5d is FF and better

And of course keeping my cash in my wallet means Im nearer to affording NikonD4v, Scarlet, 1DSMk5 or whatever has..

multiframerate
XLR monitor input
long clips
fullframe stills
AF
bla bla bla

Additionally all my money is in nikon glass so given two equals I would pick nikon

SMM
 
Last edited:
Already sounds like you've made your decision, though. Are you looking for someone to tell you something different?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top