7d better for feature then hvx200?

[ydgmdlu]

was that an hvx200 or 200a? the 200a is supposed to be sharper.. but if the 7d is sharper than the 200a I may indeed get one as a b-cam and lowl light cam.

So you made a bold and broad claim about aliasing without citing supporting evidence, even though you don't own a 7D and have not indicated any shooting experience with it?

BTW, the HVX200A has the same effective resolution as the HVX200, 1.1 million pixels through "spacial offsetting." The tested resolution is only about 600 lines, which is less than other prosumer HDV camcorders (such as the XH-A1) and the EX1/EX3, which approach 1000 lines. And when you put a 35mm DOF adapter on the HVX, you take a resolution hit, making the footage not much better than standard definition. Maybe that's not a big deal for you when it comes to big screen projection, but you should at least present the best information to help others.

 

[astigmatic]

So you made a bold and broad claim about aliasing without citing supporting evidence,

well here's what I went by: http://www.vimeo.com/6885596

 

[Ian-T]

The 7D experiences a great deal of chroma and luma artifacts resulting in the moire pattern and as well as aliasing issues.

People keep saying this but what I'm seeing is that it could be an issue in 60p...but not 24p. i wish folks would note this.

 

[Ian-T]

@astigmatic My old HV20 had much better sharpness and detail than the HVX200 and that was an HDV camcorder. The 7D's would just stomp on it. Color wise the HVX was much stronger (4:2:0 vs 4:2:2) but really...I couldn't see a difference with the naked eye. Color grading heavily might help you see the difference better.

 

[Michael Olsen]

People keep saying this but what I'm seeing is that it could be an issue in 60p...but not 24p. i wish folks would note this.

From those I've spoken to who have shot charts, it is an issue at all framerates and all resolutions.

From my understanding, it is in part a OLPF issue. It's hardware, so it is natural to expect it to be present at all framerates. There may be a little software work done to hide it, but it will remain present.

It doesn't forbid the camera its usefulness in most circumstances, but it simply exists whereas it wouldn't in an EX1/3.

That said, if people want to post up some clean zone plates from the 7D, I would be ecstatic! :beer:

 

[Barry_Green]

well here's what I went by: http://www.vimeo.com/6885596

That guy may be a little grumpy but he does indeed call it like it is. DSLRs are, basically, one-trick ponies. Even Philip Bloom (perhaps the most celebrated DSLR magic-maker), he has a post in there that flat-out says "I would never sell my video camera for a DSLR."

 

[Barry_Green]

People keep saying this but what I'm seeing is that it could be an issue in 60p...but not 24p. i wish folks would note this.

This will soon be tested, verified, and footage posted to settle it once and for all.

 

[PaPa]

What's strange, is that I have shot quite a bit of footage with horizontal lines, in wides, etc.. With low sharpness settings in 1080 24p, i don't notice it one bit.... And yes, i am aware of aliasing and what it is.

 

[Rakesh Jacob]

well here's what I went by: http://www.vimeo.com/6885596

LOL Some of the back and forth on that page is so obnoxious it's entertaining. At least I needed a good laugh.
This is just my personal philosophy that I think most people here share. If you can't make a decent narrative with the 7D you probably couldn't do it with a HVX, RED1, F35, F23, HPX3700, 35mm, 16mm, GH1, 5D, D90, iPhone or Blackberry.
Do Blackberrys have a video camera? I'll put a Letus on it, don't make me do it! I'll be shooting a narrative and twittering at the same time "@infopimps: just called action OMG actor sucks, need to call cut BRB..."

 

[dvollrath]

What's strange, is that I have shot quite a bit of footage with horizontal lines, in wides, etc.. With low sharpness settings in 1080 24p, i don't notice it one bit.... And yes, i am aware of aliasing and what it is.

Same here. The main thing I don't like about his test is that we're watching it on vimeo. Even some of my HVX footage on vimeo has aliasing because of their player/compression.

 

[Barry_Green]

Yes, the latest blackberrys have video cameras...

 

[Barry_Green]

Same here. The main thing I don't like about his test is that we're watching it on vimeo. Even some of my HVX footage on vimeo has aliasing because of their player/compression.

If you're scaling the video on playback or if vimeo had to scale the footage down, then yes, aliasing could certainly be introduced by vimeo that isn't in the original footage.

I always turn scaling to "off" on vimeo; it means that when I go to "fullscreen" it doesn't necessarily fill the monitor, but at least no weird scaling artifacts are introduced.

 

[hermmermferm]

Barry, can I put a preorder down for your next book?

 

[Barry_Green]

No, I don't do preorders anymore; but it'll be announced here when it's near ready to ship.

 

[Rakesh Jacob]

What's your next book Barry? (sorry for slightly thread jacking)

 

[Barry_Green]

Too many products, too many things to do. I've got two DVDs that should release this year, and then I have to figure out what I want to do with the 7D, whether a DVD or a book or both. And will probably do a book on the HMC40.

 

[Peter J. DeCrescenzo]

well here's what I went by: http://www.vimeo.com/6885596

My goodness, that's the most epic Vimeo post & thread I've ever seen! Great stuff!

And I thought some of my rants were overstated ... and I know you know I know what I'm saying. ;-)

As for the OP's question here: I'm pretty sure it's already been said, but I think the answer is "It depends."

 

[Rakesh Jacob]

Too many products, too many things to do. I've got two DVDs that should release this year, and then I have to figure out what I want to do with the 7D, whether a DVD or a book or both. And will probably do a book on the HMC40.

Awesome, I think the way it's looking the 7D base is gonna be huge and filled with a lot of newcomers who would really benefit from a book and DVD with your practical and informative style.

 

[Barry_Green]

Awesome, I think the way it's looking the 7D base is gonna be huge and filled with a lot of newcomers who would really benefit from a book and DVD with your practical and informative style.

My idea exactly, but the danger is: will the 7D be "yesterday's news" by the time the book or DVD is ready? Things are moving so fast in the DSLR world. The GH1 was the bees knees until the 7D was announced. The 7D was the undisputed king of the world until it was out for three days, then the complaints started. So will Scarlet, or a 1D Mark IV, or the GHX100, or something else come out in the next four months that causes a complete reboot of the user base? Ah, decisions, decisions...

 

[Michael Olsen]

My idea exactly, but the danger is: will the 7D be "yesterday's news" by the time the book or DVD is ready? Things are moving so fast in the DSLR world. The GH1 was the bees knees until the 7D was announced. The 7D was the undisputed king of the world until it was out for three days, then the complaints started. So will Scarlet, or a 1D Mark IV, or the GHX100, or something else come out in the next four months that causes a complete reboot of the user base? Ah, decisions, decisions...

I was about to say just that, Barry. The price is so low it's almost disposable, and since the technology is so new the rate of feature/performance expansion should be pretty quick. I don't think the 7D will be king for long.