5DII DOES 1080P footage!!!!!!

John Caballero said:
Oh. Oh. How can you come in this forum with statements like that for Gods sake! This forum is full of hard working individuals trying everyday to showcase their talent and make a career out of it. How dare you diminish their efforts and imply that it will be impossible for any of them to succeed in the pursuit of their dreams with their "little movies" unless they are "connected". That is why empires will keep crumbling as time goes by. Like it or not technology like these new DSLRs will make a difference for many people. Like it or not there will be other avenues for new filmakers that are not highly connected. We are all aware that in the Hollywood circles is not what you know but who you know. But many independent filmmakers deserve the chance our "democracy" is supposed to allow them.
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Yes, how dare I throw the honest truth out there.

I'm as much for the little guys making as anyone. I'd love nothing more than to be a part of one of these "little movies" I've helped make go big time. I also know the reality of it...even with connections.

Just because more people might be able to flood the market with even more product doesn't mean anyone has increased their chances. Probably just made it even harder to found.

Its very unlikely you will see the studios empire "crumble."
 
The Sarlacc said:
I also still stick to my roots and do plenty of low/no/micro budget. Having had to shoot a short on a HV20 with a Brevis and Nikkor lenses is bad enough...To have to use a DSLR would be ungodly. WHat I am saying is I don't think its the right tool for the job at all.
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I prefer the ergonomics of the D90 to my HV20 with a DOF adapter. I've shot with both and the D90 is MUCH easier to use. It has a display which can be used for focus, the HV20 with a DOF adapter needs a monitor. The D90 has a lens you can adjust while handholding it- just try that with a DOF adapter on an HV20... maybe with a glidecam, sure, but not held by itself in your hands.

But if you're serious about really trying to make something, then do it right. Plenty of people with less/no money manage to do it everyday. And I think a DSLR is just asking for more time and trouble in the long run than its really worth.
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Have you shot anything on a DSLR? You seem extremely opinionated for not having done so, but I haven't read anything saying you have. Perhaps you feel that this sort of gear is a threat to your established Hollywood methods?

I guess "doing it right" means I need 4 men working a camera, even if I'm trying to shoot descretely, or in a small space? The other day I shot usable footage - handheld, pulled focus, and adjusted the declicked iris all at the same time- I will admit that this was tricky and calls for more practice, but the ergonomics of the camera facilitated it, rather than preventing it. With my DSLR I have a camera that I can achive shallow DOF with, in low light, without cumbersome rails, expensive follow focuses, external monitors, etc.
 
Can't agree on not shootin' with a DSLR, though. Someone will do it and then others will follow.

I'm still upset at the 30p thing. Tsk.
 
Sarlacc I understand pertfectly what you are saying. And that is a reality. But you are denying the fact that new technology will allow people to create in a different way and who the heck knows if that new technology will be perfectly acceptable in the future. You can not say for sure that these new DSLRs will be failure and make no difference. That they will be no good. You could have said the same thing about digital cinema carving out a portion off real film production. And look whats happening. Eventually film will dissapear, and that is a fact. The more companies like RED work at their stuff the less need for film there will be.
All the dreamers in this forum need encouragement not people telling them they won't make it even if they try their hardest.
 
Thebes said:
I prefer the ergonomics of the D90 to my HV20 with a DOF adapter. I've shot with both and the D90 is MUCH easier to use. It has a display which can be used for focus, the HV20 with a DOF adapter needs a monitor. The D90 has a lens you can adjust while handholding it- just try that with a DOF adapter on an HV20... maybe with a glidecam, sure, but not held by itself in your hands.
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I've shot with my friends hv20 with a brevis with rods...its annoying as hell, but possible to handhold and pull focus. Fact is...same with a DSLR pulling focus and shooting with these camera set ups aren't always (and majority of the time) synonymous.

Have you shot anything on a DSLR? You seem extremely opinionated for not having done so, but I haven't read anything saying you have. Perhaps you feel that this sort of gear is a threat to your established Hollywood methods?

I guess "doing it right" means I need 4 men working a camera, even if I'm trying to shoot descretely, or in a small space? The other day I shot usable footage - handheld, pulled focus, and adjusted the declicked iris all at the same time- I will admit that this was tricky and calls for more practice, but the ergonomics of the camera facilitated it, rather than preventing it. With my DSLR I have a camera that I can achive shallow DOF with, in low light, without cumbersome rails, expensive follow focuses, external monitors, etc.
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I have shot stills for many years. I currently own a Nikon D3 along with my older D100. I also primarily shoot my still cameras hand held. I only borrow a tripod from a friend when I need one. And the weight of handholding a DSLR can become taxing. More than you realize at first.

And "doing it right" depends on your meaning of the term. In a situation where I'm on a location set up for a proper shoot. Yeah, I mean it.

For guerilla style. depends. I just did a guerilla shoot with a RED camera fully built running around the city in a minivan. One follow car with the main gear for when stopped, but majority shooting out of the door of the van. 4-5 crew members total. We made conversions from studio to steadicam in under 5 minutes, and got all the shots we needed, when we werent booted out of places. And it doesnt matter if you have a big camera or a still...when youre not supposed to be shooting someplace you can't be discreet with a DSLR either.

I've done a lot. And if you running around by yourself with no one else, thats a different story...but then what are you making?
 
John Caballero said:
Sarlacc I understand pertfectly what you are saying. And that is a reality. But you are denying the fact that new technology will allow people to create in a different way and who the heck knows if that new technology will be perfectly acceptable in the future. You can not say for sure that these new DSLRs will be failure and make no difference. That they will be no good. You could have said the same thing about digital cinema carving out a portion off real film production. And look whats happening. Eventually film will dissapear, and that is a fact. The more companies like RED work at their stuff the less need for film there will be.
All the dreamers in this forum need encouragement not people telling them they won't make it even if they try their hardest.
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I never denied the new technology would be acceptable,embraced, or that it would fail. I just said I am against the idea of a still camera being used as a movie camera.

And I love film. I am VERY pro film. I am also a techhead and I love digital. And, yes, sadly there will come a day where film is no more.

I just hope I am retired by then.
 
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Ok. Lets wait and see what the future brings. I am getting old and I am lucky to have witnessed the transition from the old days to the new technology. It has been quite a ride.
 
Just seems odd that Canon went with 24 look on the HV20 and made it consumer accessible. Than to not offer it on a DSLR where it really is worth having between the SDOF and low light capabilities.

Maybe they are protecting there HV20/30 line for now.
 
Kholi said:
As easily put as possible:

24p = Movie Cadence
30p = Home Video Cadence

Different strokes for different folks. The majority of these boards are 24p based. Even for Wedding Shoots.
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Gotta disagree here. 60i and the 60P ( 60 FPS ) are the associated home video look your talking about. 30P, which Iwerks runs at, is anything but homevideo look.

When I was doing studying at Showscan long ago which runs at 60fps on 65MM had the identical temporal foot print as video 60i does on the human brain. Since each field of a 60i chain follows one after another, ( half rez frames ) nevertheless they still follow in sequence is the reason when transferring showscan 60fps 65mm to 60i video all frames from the film frame rate are intact in 60i video. 30p has half the temporal footprint of the live 60i , 60p or 60fps temporal feel we associate with news or live event video etc feel.

30P has only a 6 frame temporal difference from 24fps feel. 60I or 60P has a 36 frame temporal difference, hence the major difference on the later from 24 feel....


That said, their stupid for not putting a 24 on this camera. If Nikon could , Canon could have. Typical Canon marketing games....



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On pan speed tests and Optical spinning wheels of course. Then again, these are tests, not real world filming with people, scenes etc which is what counts.

It's a hair split on temporal brain response.
 
PappasArts said:
On pan speed tests and Optical spinning wheels of course. Then again, these are tests, not real world filming with people, scenes etc which is what counts.

It's a hair split on temporal brain response.
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Honestly, it's enough to make it look too "weird" for a narrative shoot or Music video. But, I digress. Ye shall defend it as ye see fit.
 
get the video from my link
very wide lens
some wobble
VERY strange colors and DR
 
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>Can you tell the difference between 24p and 30p?

Myself? Barely. You can tell it's there, but it's not like it's the end of the world. It's not like it will take you out of the story. It's also nowhere near 60p or 60i. That's yuck.

I've intercut 30p capture with 24p capture on feature films in order to sync tv screens, and almost no one notices.

But don't let my centrist comments get in the way of your flame wars...
 
Someone said they read that it goes up to 30P, so who knows. I would prefer 24. If Nikon could, Canon has Z E R O excuses for not doing 24. The Nikon still is awesome and in no way does this take away what nikon has done first. Nikon could respond in a firmware that changes a lot too.

This game has only begun..... 2nd and 3rd gen of these cameras and others who enter the market are going to even be better....
 
PappasArts said:
Someone said they read that it goes up to 30P, so who knows. I would prefer 24. If Nikon could, Canon has Z E R O excuses for not doing 24. The Nikon still is awesome and in no way does this take away what nikon has done first. Nikon could respond in a firmware that changes a lot too.

This game has only begun..... 2nd and 3rd gen of these cameras and others who enter the market are going to even be better....
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Sure they do. Canon already exists in the video market. Nikon does not.

I'll be interested to hear what happens next. After all the emails flying around today. Some big pros who shoot Canon are PISSED at these latest and underwhelming offerings in the PRO STILL world. 1080p video, but a lack high framerate for speed shooting? High mpx count, which all pros know isnt the end all be all. How will it affect the ISO peformance vs. the nikon d3/d700 which should have been the 5D II target?

The pro still guys are pissed because they feel making dslr that does 2 different things takes away from them focusing on it from doing one really good thing...taking stills. Which is where I agree the most, and where my original and biggest argument against the N90 came from.

I hope the backlash from the still community makes Nikon and Canon both think twice. Make a better still camera.
 
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