5D mark 3 or C100 or BMCC

Ruben/Sheri

Ruben/Sheri

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c100_675x450.jpgc100_3q_back_large.jpgAs the tittle says we have many options, always wanted a C300 but never could afford it, Fs100 or 700 don't like look of their 24p or slow motion, BMCC luv the idea of 3k price and prores, but now the C100 come along with Nd filters... well it's the c300 with a few striped down things, what would you get?
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Don't know anything about the C100 so can't give out any feedback but I think it looks pretty nice. I have the Mk3 and just learning the camera. You should post photos of all of them to compare the style.
 
I just figured everyone knows what the 700, 100 ,and Bmcc looks like just thought I would post new-pics of this new striped down version of C300 but u might have point =)
New_Zealand said:
Don't know anything about the C100 so can't give out any feedback but I think it looks pretty nice. I have the Mk3 and just learning the camera. You should post photos of all of them to compare the style.
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It depends on what you shoot. It depends on what you want for workflow. It depends on if you desire clean 5000iso. It depends on how you can make money with them. It's a business decision.
 
I make indie films with a MKIII. I really like the C series sensor but I think it's overpriced especially considering what the BMCC is capable of for $3000. I just can't justify paying $7000 for 24Mbit/s AVCHD 4:2:0 anymore. For $5000 plus a ninja maybe I'd consider it but that's still twice the cost of the BMCC and it doesn't have 60p! For doco or commercial work I could understand the appeal but not so much for indie filmmaking. The MKIII is also about to get a whole lot better with magic lantern. I'm waiting for the dust to settle with the GH3, D600, and A99 before I even think about buying another camera. THe BMCC could be a good high dynamic range high res partner for the MKIII.
 
always wanted a C300 but never could afford it
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There is your answer. C100 is the closest thing to what you always wanted...

It is not just 'how you can make money with them', rather 'are you gonna make money with them?' If it is 'yes' then C100 is a solid investment with a proven design & workflow.
 
Looks like the price tag once it comes out will drop to maybe five to 6K just like When C300 came out it was priced at 20 K drop down to 16 K 1DC was priced at 15 k now can be found for 10K hope this is true :)
 
I shoot primarily on a 5D mkii but have been looking at getting a cinema camera and I'm leaning towards the BMCC, with the amount saved on the body I'd invest the rest toward better glass and a more robust rig set up. There are downsides to the camera, such as battery power options and possibly sensor size (depending on what you want to do with it), but they can easily be overlooked with the low price point.
 
As I posted earlier on Facebook I think that the C 100 is going to be targeted at people that use like the 5D Mark III for video if you rig out a mark3 for video with an EVF, monitors, follow focus, cages to reduce rolling shutter you compare it to C100 which Street price 5K through 6k built in EVF,variable LCD screen,nd filters straight out-of-the-box shooting almost nonexistent rolling shutter, good deal I think. There is a camera for everyone now :)
 
David W. Jones said:
5D mark 3 or C100 or BMCC?

If you have to ask this question, then I would have to ask... Do you really NEED another camera?
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BMCC = controlled condition shoots of limited length in decent light with full rigs with heavy post production equipment and time, but by far the best image if you invest the time

C100 = documentary shooting of any length In any light with lesser image quality than the BMCC but better than the 5d, easy post and light requirements for post equipment

5d = shooting less than 30 minutes with rig, with bonus of great still shooting and stealth, easy post but more limited gradibility due to less DR and less resolution but bonus of more shallow DOF images


David's point is that these cameras are very very distinct niches, and your best first move is to be very clear about your needs. The best reviewed camera, and certainly the favorite fad camera of the moment, may not meet your needs
 
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philiplipetz said:
BMCC = controlled condition shoots of limited length in decent light with full rigs with heavy post production equipment and time, but by far the best image if you invest the time

C100 = documentary shooting of any length In any light with lesser image quality than the BMCC but better than the 5d, easy post and light requirements for post equipment

5d = shooting less than 30 minutes with rig, with bonus of great still shooting and stealth, easy post but more limited gradibility due to less DR and less resolution but bonus of more shallow DOF images


David's point is that these cameras are very very distinct niches, and your best first move is to be very clear about your needs. The best reviewed camera, and certainly the favorite fad camera of the moment, may not meet your needs
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Bingo!
 
If money is not an issue, I would buy the...

- C100 : for the quick set-up and post-production turn around, and a large array of low-cost Canon rental lenses

- BMC : for the high image quality, and I would struggle at finding usable wide-angle lens options, and be aware of a much longer post-production process dealing with RAW footage

- 5DMK3 : the same reasons as the C100 but only if I could not afford the $8K starting point of the C100. At this price point, I would probably buy the Panasonic GH3 and a few professional lenses instead of the 5DMK3, and rent a C100 when I needed to shoot very low light work.
 
squig said:
I'm waiting for the dust to settle with the GH3, D600, and A99 before I even think about buying another camera. THe BMCC could be a good high dynamic range high res partner for the MKIII.
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Funny you say this. I remember last year around this time, people were talking about 1dx I believe and speculating what 5d mark 3 would be. Then news about Nikon D800 hit, and later in November the first news on Canon Cinema Camera hit. Then the 5d mark 3 finally shows its face. After people finish being disappointed over it, then news of t4i hit. Endless Camera debate...waiting for the perfect camera to come by.
 
squig said:
I make indie films with a MKIII. I really like the C series sensor but I think it's overpriced especially considering what the BMCC is capable of for $3000. I just can't justify paying $7000 for 24Mbit/s AVCHD 4:2:0 anymore. For $5000 plus a ninja maybe I'd consider it but that's still twice the cost of the BMCC and it doesn't have 60p! For doco or commercial work I could understand the appeal but not so much for indie filmmaking. The MKIII is also about to get a whole lot better with magic lantern. I'm waiting for the dust to settle with the GH3, D600, and A99 before I even think about buying another camera. THe BMCC could be a good high dynamic range high res partner for the MKIII.
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After owning a GH2 with a Hack, no other dslr makes sense to Me. IQ better than any Canon dslr as well as any many other cameras. BMCC looks like an amazing digital film camera, but simply won't work for many run and gun style of shooting. The only advantage I see of the Mark III is high iso with low noise + great wide view... The lack of detail though in the Mark III in wide shots though almost defeats it's purpose though.
 
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To the OP: It all depends on how you want to rig it. These camera A vs B (vs C in this case) threads really add little value to dvxuser or other boards. I've followed dvxuser for about five years now and I never get anything from these kind of threads.

In the end it comes down to your lighting skills, location, composition, production design, make up / stylist, and how much $$$ you have to support these production values. THe choice between these three cameras is way down the list on what difference it will make in the end to your final movie's image and production quality.

The only thing I might add is that the 5D Mark III being a full frame sensor, is a lot harder to pull accurate focus on for a variety of reasons. For low / no budget productions without a good camera department, cinema lenses and a follow focus system, you best go with the other two choices.
 
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It's which ever compliments the way you tell stories and the stories that you want to tell. For me, it's about building your own artistic style so that you will attract those who are looking for the type of work you can put out.
 
Granted, by the time you kit out a 5d3 you can buy a c100, but the thing is you can buy kit, piece by piece as you have the money, and don't need to drop 6k in one lump some. This is why so many people shoot with tricked out dslr rigs as opposed to the later.
 
Let's be clear, if you expose properly with the Mark III, have decent lenses and you know your way around Resolve or another high powered correction program, you can do great work. Most specatators are not going to know the difference between the final image and another camera you could have shot with in the vast majority of situations with 24 frames flying by on the big screen.

All cameras have issues, even the Alexa and the BMC. Yes, you may encounter moire, noise, sensor pattern artifacts and all the rest with any of these cameras. The real issue is the relative ease with which you can hit your marks.

If you take two months to color correct a 4.2.0 image from the Mark III (which has a much nicer "grain" structure than the Mark II), it is entirely possible to make something looking almost as good as the Alexa with one week of color correction. It's all a question of time and energy.

All of that being said there is a couple of choices that havent been included here which are worth considering: the new GH3 and the Sony NEX VG-900, the latter being a full frame (from a photography point of view) sensor.

Currently I have a BMC on pre-order, but Photokina may change everything.
 
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