FS7: 5 reasons the URSA Mini is better than the Sony FS7

Dennis,

I've not seen any high ISO stuff yet, 1600 is tops. I don't even know what setting the camera will go to either. There's nothing on the BMD page that i can see. I've seen 3200 written down though.

The biggest problem with the Kinefinity stuff in the past was really poor rolling shutter performance. Apart from that it was producing some great images.

cheers
Paul
 
Clermond, here in Canada my dealer just told me (and these are his words) "I believe it will be a couple of months until the 4.6K cameras are readily available".

Paul, yes poking around it sounds like 1600 is the max. There was talk about them hopefully implementing "3200" ISO. But you can achieve this (or higher) in post by pushing it anyways if you really need too.
 
Clermond said:
well, Kinefinity seems even to beat BMD under the aspect making an announcement coming onto the shelf. I don't think we will see one of these cams in Europe ever at a dealer's store.
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I'd say Kinefinity is no worse than BMD or RED at shipping! And they've been improving.

They'll be coming. May for 6K, June for the new 5K sensor.

paulcurtis said:
I've not seen any high ISO stuff yet, 1600 is tops. I don't even know what setting the camera will go to either. There's nothing on the BMD page that i can see. I've seen 3200 written down though.

The biggest problem with the Kinefinity stuff in the past was really poor rolling shutter performance. Apart from that it was producing some great images.
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High ISO from a Kinefinity 6K sensor:
https://vimeo.com/128873212

And Kinefinity has a "sports mode" which significantly reduces rolling shutter, for when the situation calls for it.
 
What's Kinefinity's new announcement? The site doesn't have any of the new stuff in english... And have they ever shipped their cameras? I've only seen a couple test shots.
 
They've shipped lots and lots and LOTS of cameras, probably in the thousands I assume.

And they've got heaps of models now! Not including their older models, but here is the list of ones they make and sell right now:

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Hey start your own thread! This is for URSA and FS7 :happy:

Just kidding I personally don't care.


So Kine 6K is $8999 for pro version, then -$500 discount if you preorder. Switchable global shutter on/off. What the hell are .krw RAW files? Will Davinci Resolve read that natively - hell, will anything read that natively?

URSA 4.6k in EF mount is $4999 USD, plus extras for viewfinder, shoulder kit, etc..

That's like double in cost and honestly I never really heard of Kinefunity before.
 
ISO 1600 is the max you can do in camera.

Being RAW and high DR you can easily get another stop in post. Then it's on NR after that :)

jb
 
John have you looked at noise in Pro res at 1600 or pushed further in post?

Do you think 1600 is a realistic ceiling if not shooting raw?
 
starcentral said:
Clermond, here in Canada my dealer just told me (and these are his words) "I believe it will be a couple of months until the 4.6K cameras are readily available".

Paul, yes poking around it sounds like 1600 is the max. There was talk about them hopefully implementing "3200" ISO. But you can achieve this (or higher) in post by pushing it anyways if you really need too.
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A few people bought from Markertek this morning, including myself. They have a few more left in stock as of 11AM EST today.

Gotta know where to look!

EDIT: Just realized you're in Canada, and the above may not help!
 
starcentral said:
Hey start your own thread! This is for URSA and FS7 :happy:

Just kidding I personally don't care.


So Kine 6K is $8999 for pro version, then -$500 discount if you preorder. Switchable global shutter on/off. What the hell are .krw RAW files? Will Davinci Resolve read that natively - hell, will anything read that natively?

URSA 4.6k in EF mount is $4999 USD, plus extras for viewfinder, shoulder kit, etc..

That's like double in cost and honestly I never really heard of Kinefunity before.
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KineStation is required to transcode KineRAW files. My experience was slow.

I haven't checked the specs for the new cameras, but one really needs to look closely when thinking about one. There are options (paid) to unlock certain features, and not all resolutions and framerates may be supported in Cinema DNG, KineRAW or Cineform (not sure they still offer this). And now ProRes.
 
It's better than the A6300, ha.

As someone mentioned here or somewhere else, "sport mode" improves RS.

Also, FWIW, anyone who bought the KineMAX 6K was probably interested in some pretty nice 4K/3K/2K with better RS.
 
Yes it has global shutter but you loose 3? Stops of DR .... Not sure can't read Chinese.

Pretty telling though with the last shot and how that slow pan was affected by it.
 
starcentral said:
So Kine 6K is $8999 for pro version, then -$500 discount if you preorder.
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Not pro version, but for the pro package. Which means you gets lots of extras (camera rig / control grip / monitor / batteries / media / etc). You could if you wish get just the body for $5999 and rig it up yourself.

Just like how the RED Raven is not "$6K", instead you'll need double (or even triple) that for a shooting kit.

But unlike RED, Kinefinity's extras are very very affordable compared to RED's.

starcentral said:
Switchable global shutter on/off.
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Only for the Terra 5K.

starcentral said:
What the hell are .krw RAW files? Will Davinci Resolve read that natively - hell, will anything read that natively?
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This is a reason why they give you a free copy of Scratch.
Currently there is a petition for BMD's DaVinci Resolve to support KRW....

https://www.change.org/p/blackmagic...e-kinefinity-krw-codec-within-davinci-resolve

starcentral said:
URSA 4.6k in EF mount is $4999 USD, plus extras for viewfinder, shoulder kit, etc..

That's like double in cost
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No, it is not. You're not directly comparing costs. Honestly I reckon they come out to roughly the same cost.
An UM46 starts out a little bit cheaper, but then the Terra has drastically cheaper media and a much lower power draw (thus needing less to be spent on batteries), so it evens out in the end more or less. Depending on your configuration, and everybody will be different.

starcentral said:
and honestly I never really heard of Kinefunity before.
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Hahaha, "kinFUNity" :p ;-)

However is kinda sad so few people have heard of Kinefinity in the western world, as they're doing interesting stuff at affordable prices, and have been doing so for years now. But in China (and neighbouring markets) they're much more well known, and I guess keeping up with their local demand is keeping them busy enough.
 
I asked the question on BMC and the guy that did the review posted some images at 3200, 6400 and 12800. But based on John's comments i must assume these are pushed from the 1600 ISO? The implication that these were settings in camera.

Dennis, you know there's one thing that got me thinking about you and Sony mojo. I'm wondering whether there's a basic trade off that Sony made between sensitivity and colour separation? All Sonys cameras are pretty sensitive by comparison to Ursa/Alexa etc,. so i wonder if the starting image is actually a lack of colour fidelity that's bugged you?

The Kinifinity stuff. Well that posted clip showed rolling shutter even in the subtle hand held movements. Not horrific but noticeable. I'd still use it though.

I find the idea of loosing 3 stops due to a global shutter something that very few people would ever turn on, that's a lot.

Also having it's own RAW format seems a bit weird but then it also supports DNG and cineform RAW, i don't know if the Terra follows suit.

It will be nice to see real frames from these cameras too. Of course it's the support that's a bit of an issue here in the UK. Bit of a leap into the unknown.

cheers
Paul
 
Ben Scott said:
John have you looked at noise in Pro res at 1600 or pushed further in post?

Do you think 1600 is a realistic ceiling if not shooting raw?
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I haven't really looked to be honest at ProRes past 1600. It should be very similar...you can eke another stop I think, but you're really just trading DR here...it also depends on what you shoot. FPN will start to show up....

JB
 
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