4K workflows

Corine said:
Very nice looking camera! http://www.newyorkfilmgroup.com/2012/12/29/canon-1dc/


I wonder how it would compare to the Scarlet or Red? If it kick Scarlet in the butt and comes close to the Red then this camera for filming I think would be a great option.
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1D C has much better mobility compared to RED, no rig required, and the body is weather sealed.

Picture quality wise, RED is definately better (rolling shutter, dynamic range, gradation etc.), however some people prefer the colour rendition on 1D C over RED.
 
Corine said:
I wonder how it would compare to the Scarlet or Red?
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Well, both are REDs... =)

The strength of the RED as I see it is in post. You've got a great codec and basically raw workflow. That's flexible. You've also got resolution and good dynamic range. And RED has proven on numerous occasions that they can give new life to older clips with new software updates thanks to raw.

I actually really like most of RED but they never managed to make a camera that fits me.

Canon, on the other side, tends to produce under spec'ed and over priced solutions that suits me really well. At least, that is how it always seem in the beginning. I felt the same about the C100, but that is a REALLY good value camera today if you ask me.

Needless to say, the price of the 1Dc is annoying, but there is no competition out there for it. You might look at the image and say: sure, x or y has even better IQ or whatnot, but on a complete camera level there is nothing. And that kind of sums Canon up for me right now. They build great tools for my needs: internal recording, freaking 4k(!), battery that lasts. State of the art focus engine and photo capability, ergonomics that have been honed over decades, low weight, discreet...

But maybe the biggest difference: I see RED cameras as cameras that need be be lit. The 1Dc is an available light camera.

But there is no competition. We all buy into the systems that fit our needs. There is absolutely no need for a RED shooter to argue with a 1Dc shooter over what is better. Prices are similar between 1Dc and Scarlet, so you can buy what every you want.
 
marvinhello said:
They are not similar at all :)

A ready to shoot Scarlet package is much more expensive than 1D C, which only requires you to buy a fast CF card.
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I think the $14.500 Scarlet package is ready to shoot? 1Dc would be about $12.500.

With similar I mean "in the 10k-20k range". I is my guess that no one picks up either camera on a whim. You buy the right camera for you/your business. And at this level there is probably some kind of business behind the purchase, so hopefully the cameras will pay for themselves.

Anyway, I hope no one buys a 1Dc because the Scarlet was too expensive... That doesn't make sense to me. :)
 
If I were actively shopping for a new camera to purchase, right now it would likely be a used Sony F35 kit. I have owned and shot extensively with the Red One, and can say for what I do, broadcast TV commercials, I honestly don't need a 4K workflow. 99% of my deliverables are at 1920x1080, and to tell the truth, the output from a very nice 1080 camera can be every bit as good, if not better than the output from a 4K camera going down to 1080, without the hoops to jump through.
 
David W. Jones said:
If I were actively shopping for a new camera to purchase, right now it would likely be a used Sony F35 kit. I have owned and shot extensively with the Red One, and can say for what I do, broadcast TV commercials, I honestly don't need a 4K workflow. 99% of my deliverables are at 1920x1080, and to tell the truth, the output from a very nice 1080 camera can be every bit as good, if not better than the output from a 4K camera going down to 1080, without the hoops to jump through.
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Wow, a great deal!
http://www.eoshd.com/content/9559/sony-f35-reaches-12000-on-ebay-from-250000-in-2008
Maybe not the best for run n gun type work though.
 
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