35mm Adapter Shootout

Mike Harvey said:
I had a thought, does someone want to organize some sort of pool to help Joseph offset his costs? I'm in the market for an adapter for my HMC150, so I'd be happy to chip in something given the service Joseph is performing for all of us.
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Nah don't worry about that dude.

On the note of the same chip... there are some differences in the images between the HVX-200A and the HPX-170 if I remember correctly. Talk to Kholi Hicks about that one!
 
Joseph Stunzi said:
Roberto,

You're forgetting a whole slew of adapters. The P&S Mini35 , M8M 35mm, Handy35, Apefos, RNG35, Twoneil, Ikord, JAG35, ProDof, i-35HD, EnCinema 35... and I'm sure there's a few more.
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Well in my humble understanding of what is out there I can say that I have no interest in those. At least the P&S... not at all... never heard of the rest so I am ok with not seeing them in the assumption that they are not popular for a reason. I am sure you know far more about adapters than me so please take my posts only as an encouragement... I don't mean to tell you how to do your shootout.

Joseph Stunzi said:
Once again, I'm putting my money, time, and effort into this project. So I urge everyone to be patient as I'm providing a slew of information and analysis to you free of charge!
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I am man! Totally patient and thankful in advance. It just seems that you are biting quite a big bite off the cake... I am simply trying to say to you not to stress over the details if it is giving you gray hair. Again, I don't know about all those adapters you mentioned, but it seems that if you included the ones I listed 90% of the people would be beyond stoked. Just trying to bring up the factor of practicality... since a P&S for example will become practically 100% obsolete with Scarlet S35... not sure if the others are as good as the ones I mentioned... or as affordable...
 
USLatin said:
Well in my humble understanding of what is out there I can say that I have no interest in those. At least the P&S...

... since a P&S for example will become practically 100% obsolete with Scarlet S35... not sure if the others are as good as the ones I mentioned... or as affordable...
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Since the RED ONE has been out for awhile now and P+S Pro35's are still very busy in our rental market, I'm not convinced the Scarlett will make it obsolete. The fact that Letus and CInevate now offer 2/3" relay lenses is a sign that there will continue to be a market for 2/3" cameras/35mm adapters, at least in the rental realm for the Pro 35. The Letus and Cinevate options allow ownership to be more likely due to the much lower price point vs. the Pro35 for the multitude of 2/3" cameras in use.
 
Dino said:
Since the RED ONE has been out for awhile now and P+S Pro35's are still very busy in our rental market, I'm not convinced the Scarlett will make it obsolete. The fact that Letus and CInevate now offer 2/3" relay lenses is a sign that there will continue to be a market for 2/3" cameras/35mm adapters, at least in the rental realm for the Pro 35. The Letus and Cinevate options allow ownership to be more likely due to the much lower price point vs. the Pro35 for the multitude of 2/3" cameras in use.
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I can see a market for 2/3" relays!

However, why would you say that the P&S won't become obsolete?

Unless you think 2/3" Scarlet won't happen... it is working already, and it is insanely insane in the membrane as far as I've heard from people that have played with it. So I can see relays renting like mad, but not something like a P&S that costs as much as a camera and a competing adapter.

I don't know if a relay could work with Scarlet Fixed... but you see my point I hope.
 
USLatin said:
I can see a market for 2/3" relays!

However, why would you say that the P&S won't become obsolete?

Unless you think 2/3" Scarlet won't happen... it is working already, and it is insanely insane in the membrane as far as I've heard from people that have played with it. So I can see relays renting like mad, but not something like a P&S that costs as much as a camera and a competing adapter.

I don't know if a relay could work with Scarlet Fixed... but you see my point I hope.
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I agree that P+S won't be selling a lot more Pro35's in the years to come, but they will still be entrenched in the rental market. My clients often want a camera that can make an image in the camera, including gammas, detail, matrix, knee, slope and hard clip. They then want to take that finished image and turn it around via a simple, established work flow quickly and efficiently. If the Scarlet can offer in camera processing to the level that other cameras have always done and a workflow that is as convenient as DVCPRO HD or AVC Intra, great.

What works within the time constraints of an indie film for deliverables turnaround, may not work for corporate, or cable/broadcast which tends to be very time sensitive.

Our Letus Ultimate is great because it can work with just about every 1/3", 1/2" and 2/3" camera at an affordable rental rate.
 
i agree with above. RED is the cat's pajamas image-wise but post is a pain compared to any video format. scarlet will be amazing, but simplicity, reliability, and compatability will keep video cams and 35mm adapters alive.
 
Dino said:
I agree that P+S won't be selling a lot more Pro35's in the years to come, but they will still be entrenched in the rental market. My clients often want a camera that can make an image in the camera, including gammas, detail, matrix, knee, slope and hard clip. They then want to take that finished image and turn it around via a simple, established work flow quickly and efficiently. If the Scarlet can offer in camera processing to the level that other cameras have always done and a workflow that is as convenient as DVCPRO HD or AVC Intra, great.
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Yes, good point. In this case the affordable cameras like the 300 or 500 would make for a very powerful yet affordable solution. Not sure about their in camera image controls, but with the budget you could always get the 3000 or Sony counterparts or rent one.

Cheeweezl, just want to point out that reliability doesn't seem to be part of your point anymore.
 
Evangelos Achillopoulos said:
I'm planning to send a demo relay along with a Fiber Screen to Jeff (Dino)...

I believe you are both in SF area... Jeff can hand it over to you...
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Evangelos,

I would love to see your relay and Fiber Screen. You could send it to Joseph first, who could send it to me or vice versa. Lenny and I could share it, no problem.
 
Did you do the test yet?? Is there any way I can set something to follow this thread so I don't forget about it?
 
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Evangelos - you can't get it to us immediately can you? We wanted to test B4's early this week. Might be just too fast.

Lenny
 
If you click on USER CP (top left) then click on EDIT OPTIONS down towards the middle of the options on the left under the category Settings & Options, then you will see the section called "Default Thread Subscription Mode" there you can select NO E-MAIL NOTIFICATION in the drop down menu. That will subscribe you to threads where you post making them pop up in your User CP when someone posts on the threads. Then when you log on you can just go right to your User CP to see if someone has added to the conversations you are a part of.
 
USLatin said:
Well in my humble understanding of what is out there I can say that I have no interest in those. At least the P&S... not at all... never heard of the rest so I am ok with not seeing them in the assumption that they are not popular for a reason. I am sure you know far more about adapters than me so please take my posts only as an encouragement... I don't mean to tell you how to do your shootout.
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The thing is... it's a shootout. And if it's to be a detailed scientific test as well as a comprehensive one, I can't simply begin without approaching all of the companies out there making adapters. I'm approaching this as a shootout... not as a shootout for DVXusers. Our community has a tendency of repeating what other users say continually. I bet most users on here would say the Letus Ultimate or the SG Blade is the best. That's simply because of the mass of posts and footage released about these adapters. Owning 4 adapters myself... I'm not going to allow myself to fall into that trap so easily!


USLatin said:
Again, I don't know about all those adapters you mentioned, but it seems that if you included the ones I listed 90% of the people would be beyond stoked. Just trying to bring up the factor of practicality... since a P&S for example will become practically 100% obsolete with Scarlet S35... not sure if the others are as good as the ones I mentioned... or as affordable...
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I personally don't hold RED in very high esteem. Their form of hype marketing has become an annoyance to me. Their fanboys preach without knowing what they're talking about. And their products continually have delays. Not only that... they don't finish one product before moving onto the next. I'd like to see the RED ONE firmware improved upon and truly solid before they jump the gun to these new Scarlets and Epics. Adapters, relays, ENG cameras, and film cameras aren't going anywhere anytime soon. I'll gladly challenge any RED fanboy to a bet if they disagree.


Dino said:
Since the RED ONE has been out for awhile now and P+S Pro35's are still very busy in our rental market, I'm not convinced the Scarlett will make it obsolete. The fact that Letus and CInevate now offer 2/3" relay lenses is a sign that there will continue to be a market for 2/3" cameras/35mm adapters, at least in the rental realm for the Pro 35. The Letus and Cinevate options allow ownership to be more likely due to the much lower price point vs. the Pro35 for the multitude of 2/3" cameras in use.
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I agree with Dino. However until I see the optics on these relays first hand... (meaning not on the NAB show floor)... I'd prefer to not elaborate. They certainly do open the use of 35mm DOFAs with relays to a lower-end market.

dougspice said:
I like this idea of releasing the clips "blind". That's a wonderful approach.
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THANKS!

USLatin said:
However, why would you say that the P&S won't become obsolete?

Unless you think 2/3" Scarlet won't happen... it is working already, and it is insanely insane in the membrane as far as I've heard from people that have played with it. So I can see relays renting like mad, but not something like a P&S that costs as much as a camera and a competing adapter.
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Of course you're hearing this from RED fanboys... or people that saw it at the RED party at NAB. Not people using it in the field. The P&S has the advantage of build quality. Drop any other adapter in the field... and it's gone. Drop a P&S and it's still good to go.

USLatin said:
Cheeweezl, just want to point out that reliability doesn't seem to be part of your point anymore.
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How is it not a valid part of his point?
 
So how much is that P&S camera? It has a CMOS with a global shutter...just a tidbit of info I came across.
 
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