35mm adapter for b4 mount under $5000

35mm adapter for b4 mount under $5000

  • Yes!!!, Are you kidding!?

    Votes: 62 89.9%

  • No Way!, I would rather buy the real pro35 with the extra $28k in my pocket

    Votes: 7 10.1%
  • Total voters
    69
I agree. Stick this poll in the 35mm adaptor section and also put it on dvinfo.net and you will have a lot of interest. I would never normally look in this subforum, i only found it through a search.
 
Sorry Phil...we're still burning both ends of the candle here finishing up renovations at the new site. I'll check in tonight.
 
Sorry, I don't know what a relay lens is. Are we talking about an adapter that allows the use of 35 mm lenses (meaning we'd still need to buy or rent the 35 mm lens), or something that somehow makes a 2/3 in. lens have the characteristics of 35 mm lenses directly (without having to rent/purchase additional lenses)?
 
It would allow you to use a 35mm adapter on a 2/3" camera body. You'd not use your 2/3" lenses at all. Instead you'd attach this adapter, and then the adapter can use 35mm lenses (whether nikon, canon, or cine lenses is dependent on what mounts would be offered by the adapter manufacturer).
 
Thanks Barry. I assume that the appeal here that this new product is at a better price than existing adapters, correct? How much of a savings?
 
How well do you think this adapter would work paired with an HPX3000? What jack of all trades zoom lens would you suggest with this set-up, and what's your estimate of the price of the lens that you would recommend?

Thanks!
 
Lenses could be (dependent on the mounts offered as Barry said) whatever you wanted. They could be old 35mm still glass from Nikon or Canon, etc (the most popular and affordable choices), or they could be really expensive cine glass.

Later,
Jason
 
Thanks Jason. I was going to go with 18-50 mm zooms when the camera I had planned on had a 35 mm sensor, but now that I'm considering a 2/3 inch chip camera, that zoom will change, and I'm hoping for recommendations.
 
Tim Pipher said:
Thanks Barry. I assume that the appeal here that this new product is at a better price than existing adapters, correct? How much of a savings?
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The only adapter for 2/3" cameras is $27,000. A Letus Extreme plus relay lens should be no more than 15% of that cost.
 
Thanks Barry. Would you then just attach the same 35 mm lenses you would use with a 35 mm camera, or would you put on different length lenses to allow for the 2/3 inch chips?

In other words, if I was going to use the RED 18-50 mm zoom lens with the RED, would I still use that lens with the adapter on an HPX3000?
 
Tim Pipher said:
How well do you think this adapter would work paired with an HPX3000?
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Don't know, we'd have to try it. I'm certain it will work fantastic with an HPX500, but the 3000 is scary sharp so we'd have to test it to see if it could hold on to all the detail a 3000 can render.

What jack of all trades zoom lens would you suggest with this set-up, and what's your estimate of the price of the lens that you would recommend?
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There is no such thing. I mean, a decent cine lens would be maybe something like the Cooke 20-100 (or 18-100), that'll give you a reasonable wide angle and a decent tele, but it's also going to be monstrously huge and heavy and slow (it's 1980's technology).

You could go with a still-camera zoom, which'll be cheap and sharp, but it'll breathe like a fat guy running up a hill and isn't made for cine focusing.

You could get the Arri Variable Primes, those are awesome, but they're $15,000 each. Used. And you need three for a full set.

The Red Zoom is an option; it's comparatively cheap at $6500 and its optical performance is supposed to be quite good for the price (considering it's competing against a new Cooke zoom for $85,000). But 18-50 is not that useful of a focal range, and the mechanical performance is (by all reports) not nearly as good as a proper cine zoom. But for 1/12th the price, it's (as Mike Seymour says) "punching way above its weight). Even if the mechanicals aren't up to normal cine standards (again, normal cine = $85,000) they'll still probably be quite a bit better than a still-camera zoom.

The Red 18-85 sounds a lot better as a jack-of-all-trades lens, but that'll be more expensive too. Probably about $10,000 -- which is about the going rate for a good used Cooke 18-100. Nice thing about the existing Red zoom is that it's quite compact, versus the massive 15 to 30 pounds of 10:1 cine zoom lenses.
 
Thanks Barry. That RED 18-85 would be better, but I think it's still a good way off from hitting the market.

Let's say you're using a 18-50 mm zoom lens on a 35 mm camera. I know to get similar characteristics on a 16 mm camera, you'd use a 9-25 mm lens.

But what lens would you use for similar characteristics with a 35 mm adapter with a 2/3 inch chip camera? Would it be the same as for a 35 mm camera, or more like a 16 mm camera, or neither?
 
Depends on what you mean by a 35mm camera. Do you mean 35mm cine? Or still?

For cine, the 35mm adapter will (when properly configured!) deliver the same field of view and depth of field as a 35mm movie camera. So the same lens would work the same on both.
 
I have successfully tested the RED 18-50mm lens on the new prototype extreme35 for b4 cameras. I also tested a set of ziess super speeds from 18 up to 85 with the adapter on the Varicam body, the image looked amazing on the panny 17" monitor.

It should be great for the hpx-3000, the letus boys are making this on par if not better quality/optically wise with the P+S.


I used the extreme prototype on a job a few weeks back and Im trying to get approval to use the footage/stills publicly. It was on the HPX500 body and was shot with nikon lenses.

Maybe I will just have to shoot some new stuff with the adapter just for fun to show what it looks like on the hpx500.

-Hunter
 
Oh yeah, let me say these tests are done just with the prototype Version 1. A new prototype should be finished soon with a higher grade/ faster relay lens.

Please be patient!
 
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