GH2 24p vs 30p

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Mj882
Honestly, it's going to be hard to spot the difference between 24 and 30p, especially if you are posting on the internet.
You could always add a film-look plugin, like Magic Bullet.

Really? Not sure if it's me, but 30p doesn't seem to have the organic look that 24p (25p) depict.

That's crazy talk. There's a huge difference between 24fps and 30fps.

I disagree. Are you sure you could spot the difference between the two?

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The difference between 30 FPS and 24 FPS is huge. This is one of the reasons the early Todd-AO 65MM movies used 30 FPS, because it looked so much different and more "realistic" than 24 FPS. Anybody who's seen the 30-FPS transfer of the classic Todd-AO 65mm musical OKLAHOMA knows that I'm talking about. It looks NOTHING like a 'traditional' 24 FPS movie, just completely different and much more of a "live TV" look.

Vincent

Ok...but you are referencing a film that you know to be at a certain frame rate. This brings in a psychological factor; I am suggesting that if you know something is 24p, your brain will adjust to giving it a certain look. Think, why aren't audiences conscious of frame rates?

Yes, you definitely can see that "live" look in 60p. But with 24/30p, I am suggesting that the 6 frames are mostly psychological, especially when viewed on the internet.

My question was "Are you sure you could spot the difference between the two?"

 

[mistan]

Give some links to 30fps & 24fps footage. I'd be able to spot them. 24fps is a lot more jittery tan 30fps.

 

[Matthew P]

24fps is a lot more jittery tan 30fps.

Unless you watch 24p on a monitor that's set to a multiple hz of 24hz. It looks a lot smoother. Though no where near 30p smooth.

 

[Mj882]

Haha I see this debate has escalated. Yeah your comment phased me out a little - 30p most certainly has that 'live TV' look. Not something I'm fond of, especially not for narrative films or commercials even. 24 (25p) has the organic more filmic/softer look.

 

[Grunf]

24fps sucks and is chosen as lowest framerate that still looks somewhat "fluid" in order to save film stock and expensive silver nitrate.
The irony of it all is that almost all flat-TV manufacturers have functions to interpolate fake "movement" in-between stuttery frames and majority of "six-pack-Joe" users leave it on.

So all that "filmic" stutter is interpolated into 100Hz by various Samsung/Sharp/Panasonic TV's at home and nobody really cares.

 

[mistan]

24fps sucks and is chosen as lowest framerate that still looks somewhat "fluid" in order to save film stock and expensive silver nitrate.
The irony of it all is that almost all flat-TV manufacturers have functions to interpolate fake "movement" in-between stuttery frames and majority of "six-pack-Joe" users leave it on.

So all that "filmic" stutter is interpolated into 100Hz by various Samsung/Sharp/Panasonic TV's at home and nobody really cares.

While it's true that 24fps was used because of budget constraints at the beginning...it is now 1 of the standards. It's an acquired taste that many people have acquired a taste for over the years (Mainly people in the US).

Motion-Plus is the marketing term for that interpolation and I have heard MANY people complain about it. Just because they dont know the technical know hows and terms...doesnt mean that they cant tell a difference and sense that something is "wrong". I've heard tons of people complain about their tv making everything look like a soap opera and making movies look "cheap". Avg joes leave it on because they dont know how to turn it off.

Unless you watch 24p on a monitor that's set to a multiple hz of 24hz. It looks a lot smoother. Though no where near 30p smooth.

It still looks jittery to me, admittedly not as much though. It still has a unique and distinct look.