240 hz!?

pfista

pfista

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So I went to fry's with my dad today so we could check out those new samsung LED tv's. They had this little area set up with different brands of 240 hz hdtvs. My dad didn't really notice much of a difference... but I swear those tv's made pirates of the carribean and transformers look... weird. Almost like video. The image was really sharp and had good color... but the motion looked so 60i ish. So... soap opera-y. Almost like it was in fast foward. And it took away from the acting. I felt like it took away the whole cinematic mood. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just me?

Also I thought I caught some twixtor like distortion on the sets with motion enhancement...

I'm not sure if the motion processing was turned off on any of them. So that could have been a big part of it.
 
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I'm a little surprised that there would be any difference, but I certainly wouldn't expect an improvement. Quite silly. Bigger numbers eventually stop being better in this, but they have their marketing down for a few more years at least.
 
I forget what it's called, but you can turn that effect off. It would be great for sports... but I know what you mean. Movies don't look like movies anymore.
 
yeah, i noticed the same thing on 120hz TVs when they first started showing up. i saw clips of pirates and american gangster that looked like video. it almost makes them look more realistic and takes away from the whole cinematic spectacle. i'm just glad it can be turned off.
 
Ahh. I'm glad it's the motion enhancer and not the refresh rate. Otherwise I would be going crazy.
 
I am currently selling tv's to pay my bills and have to try and sell people this feature...I hate it, even for tv, it makes it look disgusting. It essentially gets rid of motion blur etc. I explain to people, especially movie aficionado's, that the filmmaker intended the film to look the way it does with motion blur etc. I dont know, for me it a pointless feature that I would never pay any sort of premium for.
 
I guess it's just going to piss off all of us filmmakers. Most people don't even notice the difference which blows my mind.
 
right after i graduated college, i worked for the school's video production department for a few months. when i asked them why they shot all of their commercials and advertising spots at 30p instead of 24p, one of them actually said, "because 30 is more." there was no regard to artistic intent or anything like that, it was all just about numbers.
 
zergtherobot said:
I am currently selling tv's to pay my bills and have to try and sell people this feature...I hate it, even for tv, it makes it look disgusting. It essentially gets rid of motion blur etc. I explain to people, especially movie aficionado's, that the filmmaker intended the film to look the way it does with motion blur etc. I dont know, for me it a pointless feature that I would never pay any sort of premium for.
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Agreed, but it does help with sports but thats where it ends.

I dont even like Bluray and thats watching on a 50" Bravia. Just looks way to sharp for my eyes. Much prefer 576P (in PAL land) for watching my favourites.
 
I just had this exact conversation with my friend. When HDTVs first came out the claim to fame was 1080P with emphasis being in progressive frames. Not only was it a higher resolve then interlaced video, it enhanced the cinematic experience. We get to step backwards with everyone wanting 120Hz to take that pristine image from their favorite film and make it feel like it was shot on Uncle Joes palm corder.
 
I actually go into all the Best Buy stores and turn that motion "feature" off because it really makes me want to break into tears knowing there are people out there watching our films in 60i motion and not even realizing how bad it looks.
 
I agree, I hate the look of 120hz or 240hz or any of these so called motion improvement features. I don't watch sports so I have zero need for an LCD or Plasma with this feature. The ones without it are cheaper anyways.

pfista said:
I guess it's just going to piss off all of us filmmakers. Most people don't even notice the difference which blows my mind.
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The scariest thing in the world is going to an average joe's home and seeing how poo pooed up their TV settings are, and they don't even know how goofy things look on it.

dust'n the callipygous said:
right after i graduated college, i worked for the school's video production department for a few months. when i asked them why they shot all of their commercials and advertising spots at 30p instead of 24p, one of them actually said, "because 30 is more." there was no regard to artistic intent or anything like that, it was all just about numbers.
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I shudder to think what could happen if they ever get their hands on a Scarlet, what with 120 fps and all. That's way more than 30.
 
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