235 Studios Presents: SEMELE

Love the bts photos! I love that break-up pattern you created. Very nice.

I could always use some lessons in ADR if you have any info to share. Looks like a nice set-up... countdown clock and all!

Looking forward to this!

-Ted
 
It was a very nice set-up and things went quite smoothly last night. I am learning more and more with each film.
 
tung n' groove photo said:
I had a hard time sounding out the title...
secretly, my code name for the movie was "smelly" hahaha!
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LOL! yeah it is an interesting one to pronounce. It is: sem-uh-lee


tung n' groove photo said:
I think I'm gonna go sledding in all this new snow this afternoon...woo hoo!
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Brandi (my wife) and I are headed out there in just a minute. We have about 3 inches of snow at our house!! YEAH SNOW!!!!!

tung n' groove photo said:
Ryan, Japan?! I'm jealous.
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Yep I'll be there until Feb 2nd. I'm looking forward to it, I've never gone to Japan before- I've always wanted to go- now I just hope that the weather is managable. Should be fun :beer:
 
Theodore J Arabian said:
Love the bts photos! I love that break-up pattern you created. Very nice.
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Thanks. I really liked it too- Evin made it for me - it worked great!

Theodore J Arabian said:
I could always use some lessons in ADR if you have any info to share. Looks like a nice set-up... countdown clock and all!
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Yeah, it was out mobile studio. Norm and Rebecca do not live to far away from each other, so we setup in Norms office. Some furny pads c-satnds, a couple of laptops, and we were ready to rock. Jerry knows more about ADR then I do, so he might be able to provide more valuable info.

I'm headed out to go play in the snow. I'll respond more about the ADR setup later if Jerry has not gotten to it.
 
This was my first time doing ADR ever, so it was a learning experience for me as well. I took whatever knowledge I had of various things related to audio, and tried to build something workable from that.

First came acoustical treatment. Lots of nasty reflective surfaces in the room. Glass doors and the like. Covered all the walls with furny pads as high as we could reach (high ceiling in that room). We also hung a pad from a c-stand to separate the recording area from the equipment, to isolate equipment noise. Made sure that the talent was facing the wall at an angle, so as to avoid slap echo.

The hub of the recording setup was my M-Audio FW410. All the audio went through there. The 410 was hooked up to my laptop, which was running Adobe Audition 2.0.

Mics: Sure SM85 and Rode NTG-1. I know everyone says not to use shotguns indoors, but the Rode actually works very nicely indoors, under the right conditions. These were running into the 410, and being phantom powered by it. The 410 doesn't have very good preamps, so it was hard to get a decent signal. external preamps would have been very nice. Each mic was recorded to a separate channel. Monitoring was provided for myself and the talent through headphones (the 410 has two independent headphone outs). So that the talent could hear the on-set audio simultaneously, I ran a feed from Ryan's laptop which was handling video playback to a Marantz PMD670 (just what I had on hand). I used this to convert the analog signal to SPDIF, and sent it to the 410 via coaxial SPDIF. I only did this because the 410 can only use two analogue inputs simultaneously. With all the audio sources going through one place, it was very easy to create a headphone mix to taste.

All the recording was done to an external hard drive. Had there been time, I actually would have driven the video playback with Audition (Ryan used FCP for playback of specific scenes), so I wouldn't have to sync later. We didn't have time to do the necessary conversions, though.

I think it came out really well. Should have a dialogue cut in the next day or so. I'll also try to put together a bit of an outtakes reel. There was some hilarious stuff.
 
fixitinpost said:
I think it came out really well. Should have a dialogue cut in the next day or so. I'll also try to put together a bit of an outtakes reel. There was some hilarious stuff.
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Jerry, you be nice! Lol. :kali:
 
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Brandon Rice said:
I'd be interested in your ADR setup as well!
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Alright, I'm back from playing in the snow- had some fun with my wife as we suck up on some neighbor kids and ambushed them with snowballs!

Anyway, here are some details regrading the ADR session. Keep in mind that I know enough about audio to be dangerous, but I am no pro by any means. Jerry will have to correct my, and supply any tech specs on the gear, as we were using his equipment.

Mission control:
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On the left is my laptop. I had the locked edit broken up into the various segments that needed to be done. Each segment was then looped 4 times- inbetween each segment there was a 5 second countdown and a 2-pop just before the lines that needed to be replaced. Before begining the recording session I would play back the video for their viewing one time. We would then commence with the recording. My laptop is connected to the monitor in the "Blue Room" and it provides an audio signal as well.

In the center, on the desk there is a flash recorder, and a M-audio box, these are connected to Jerry's Laptop (On the right) for record and playback of sound.


The Blue Room:
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We slit Norm's office into two sections- One for the playback & recording controls, and the other for the actor & mic's. We hung up furny pads all around the room. This accomplished two things for us- first it isolated the computers from the mic's which got rid of the background noise; and secondly then created a reflection free environment allowing for clean audio recording. In Norm's office there are a bunch of object that audio can bounce off of at wierd angles causing slight echos, and not allowing for the cleanist recording environment. While the furny pads are by no means the same as an actual recording studio, they did get the job done. We hung the pad from C-stands and enclosed the actor with them.

Surrounded by pads, the actor was able to watch the playback, hear themselves deliver their lines, and they were able to hear the original lines to help them sync up with the original dialogue.

The Count Down
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Two mics were used to record the audio, each with a different pickup pattern. Jerry will have to fill you in on the make / model, and why he chose those specific mics. All I can say is that they did a good job in recording the sound, as it sounded great!
The acotr was given a countdown befor each loop, as well as a 2-pop. This enabled them to get into a rhythm to deliver their lines on que. I was using FCP for the video playback. Appartently in Premiere there is the ability to add a bar on the top of the screen that sync up with when the next line is coming. That way the actor has a visual reference of when the next line is coming. I think that is a great feature- unfortunately there is noting automated like that in FCP. It can be done, but you have to do it manually. (And since I did not have the time to set that up before the talent arrived, I did not do that.)


Jerry then monitored all of the audio while I directed the talent on delivery. Over all I am very happy with how things turned out. It was a successful evening. Hopefully the info above is helpful to you all. Again, take it witha grain of salt, as I am no audio pro. Jerry, could you fill people in on the specific gear you were using and why you used it- I'm sure they would appreciate that info.

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Man, I'm slow at typing- Jerry, thanks for filling people in on the set up. (I was typing all that stuff while Jerry beat me to the punch ... great job. Anyway, back to work- got to finish the CC.
 
235 Studios said:
Appartently in Premiere there is the ability to add a bar on the top of the screen that sync up with when the next line is coming. That way the actor has a visual reference of when the next line is coming. I think that is a great feature- unfortunately there is noting automated like that in FCP. It can be done, but you have to do it manually. (And since I did not have the time to set that up before the talent arrived, I did not do that.)


Jerry then monitored all of the audio while I directed the talent on delivery. Over all I am very happy with how things turned out. It was a successful evening. Hopefully the info above is helpful to you all. Again, take it witha grain of salt, as I am no audio pro. Jerry, could you fill people in on the specific gear you were using and why you used it- I'm sure they would appreciate that info.

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Actually, it's not automated in Premiere either. But Premiere woudn't require the render the FCP would have for you. For a good representation of what it would look like if we'd had time to do it, go to www.kongisking.net, and check out the post production diary about ADR. It's very informative.

I think I got all the gear taken care of a few posts above. If I missed anything, let me know!
 
fixitinpost said:
Actually, it's not automated in Premiere either. But Premiere woudn't require the render the FCP would have for you.
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Oh, I got you know. I miss understood you last night- I could have created something that would have been able to play back without rendering in FCP- I could have just used a simple shape object and then key frame that across the screen- oh well- now I know, and I'll be better prepared for next time. Thanks for the info!

fixitinpost said:
For a good representation of what it would look like if we'd had time to do it, go to www.kongisking.net, and check out the post production diary about ADR. It's very informative.
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Thanks for the link-I'll check it out tonight.
 
Brandon Rice said:
Let's see some stills RyaN!
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Alright here you go:
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That's the best I'm going to do for now. :beer:
(And that monitor was not the greatest representation- it looked a whole lot different on my laptop, then on that screen. The colors were way off on that LCD.)
 
Brandon Rice said:
NO!! I want to see a screenie my friend! :) I want to see the sweet shots!
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LOL!!!

They will come- I'm still working on some CC. I wasn't able to get the images as desaturated as I had wanted in camera, so I have some touch ups to do. When They are done, I'll post a grab or two. All in good time ...
 
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