marvinhello
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Interesting findings, 1D C still has its edge:
http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/19971-1dc-vs-1dx-ii-shootout/
http://www.eoshd.com/comments/topic/19971-1dc-vs-1dx-ii-shootout/
1DC: 1DC vs 1DX II Shootout
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indiawilds
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I have got the 1DXII but I haven't tested it vis-a-vis the 1DC. Also doing a 1DX II vs 1DC is not so simple. The video coverage of 1DC and 1DX II are different. And one needs to see if things like Auto lighting optimiser are on or not.
Here is preliminary review of the 1DXII http://www.indiawilds.com/diary/canon-eos-1dx-mark-ii-review/ . It is more of an evolving review and I will continue to update it with more stills, more impressions as well as a video review later.
I was offered a 1DC at a cheaper cost by Canon, but I preferred to buy the 1DX II. The 4K files are detailed. The autofocus is worth more than the c-log. I can live without the c-log but not the autofocus.
Here is preliminary review of the 1DXII http://www.indiawilds.com/diary/canon-eos-1dx-mark-ii-review/ . It is more of an evolving review and I will continue to update it with more stills, more impressions as well as a video review later.
I was offered a 1DC at a cheaper cost by Canon, but I preferred to buy the 1DX II. The 4K files are detailed. The autofocus is worth more than the c-log. I can live without the c-log but not the autofocus.
marvinhello
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It was done on 24-70 2.8L II lens to match framing. Also stuff like High ISO noise reduction and Auto Lighting Optimser wre all off.
AndreeOnline
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I find this test to be inline with expectations with one notable exception: the 1Dx mkII's worse performance when lifting shadows in the Neutral profile.
Now, shooting in mjpeg isn't the same as shooting raw (where the 1Dx mkII has proven to be strong in the 'lifted shadows' department). But I was hoping to see a notable improvement when lifting the shadows in the 1Dx mkII. It didn't' have to be much—just a visible improvement to the already good 1Dc. I certainly didn't expect it to be worse, even if 'the same' was pretty likely.
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The DPAF and higher frame rates are still major features that well make up for things the 1Dx mkII lack from the 1Dc—this is probably especially true for people who haven't yet shot much with the Canon Log profile. But I feel that, for me personally, it would really hurt to back down to the Neutral profile again.
The pain increases exponentially since the 1Dx mkII's shadows can be pushed far in raw, I feel that this could be used with great advantage if Canon had given this camera Canon Log (where the shadows are raised internally from the raw data). I think it would produce really clean log images.
Now, shooting in mjpeg isn't the same as shooting raw (where the 1Dx mkII has proven to be strong in the 'lifted shadows' department). But I was hoping to see a notable improvement when lifting the shadows in the 1Dx mkII. It didn't' have to be much—just a visible improvement to the already good 1Dc. I certainly didn't expect it to be worse, even if 'the same' was pretty likely.
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The DPAF and higher frame rates are still major features that well make up for things the 1Dx mkII lack from the 1Dc—this is probably especially true for people who haven't yet shot much with the Canon Log profile. But I feel that, for me personally, it would really hurt to back down to the Neutral profile again.
The pain increases exponentially since the 1Dx mkII's shadows can be pushed far in raw, I feel that this could be used with great advantage if Canon had given this camera Canon Log (where the shadows are raised internally from the raw data). I think it would produce really clean log images.
lovecameras
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Would be nice to own either, some must be doing too well...
AndreeOnline
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You need to get into the right mindset.
If you look at camera prices and think: "wow, this product will erase $8000 from my savings account" instead of "OK, let's see... with this product I'll invest $8000 and it will generate $25000 within XX long, netting me $17000…" then professional gear might not be the right choice.
A guy who wants to sell hotdogs on a corner might easily need to invest at least that for cart, permits, foods and sides.
Of course, if you do the "professional use case math" it's good to actually have a professional use case that supports that. I have a feeling 35% of all RED users just took out a loan and now they have an expensive hobby (based on being member on reduser.net since 2008).
indiawilds
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Agree with Andree. Filming and Photography is a business for us and is a hobby for many. If one is not earning from it or not able to earn from it then it makes no sense to buy such expensive equipment. To be successful in life one needs to invest time, energy, financial resources to it. Even studying engineering, MBA, Filmmaking is expensive depending upon the institute. There is simply no need to buy the 1DX II if one doesn't need it. You can buy a 50 MP 5DS/5DSR and print big. Many wedding photographers are buying that. One can buy the 7D II to have sufficient burst speed while shooting stills.
Long ago when I was an amateur, in one of the National Geographic shoot with Ed Kashi, I found that Ed was shooting with two 5D bodies. At that time I was shooting with a 1D Mark II. He felt comfortable with the smaller size body of the 5D and chose it ignoring the rapid fire ability of the 1Series cameras. If one thinks why then he/she will realise that the costliest body need not be the best for certain applications. When you are moving around your subject, you need to mix with the surroundings and allow the subject to go about his/her daily routine without disturbance. Rapid fire shooting is the last thing one is going to do there.
So even if people are doing well, they need not buy the latest and the greatest just for the heck of it.
Since 2012, I have been shooting only in C-log in the C300. So again shooting in the neutral profile of the 1DX II feels a bit strange. Nevertheless, that is what is the best value for my business as of date. Here is a link to 4K footage from 1DXII from my Sundarbans shoot. https://youtu.be/JIVBYVFCmPc
The shots were completely handheld.
Long ago when I was an amateur, in one of the National Geographic shoot with Ed Kashi, I found that Ed was shooting with two 5D bodies. At that time I was shooting with a 1D Mark II. He felt comfortable with the smaller size body of the 5D and chose it ignoring the rapid fire ability of the 1Series cameras. If one thinks why then he/she will realise that the costliest body need not be the best for certain applications. When you are moving around your subject, you need to mix with the surroundings and allow the subject to go about his/her daily routine without disturbance. Rapid fire shooting is the last thing one is going to do there.
So even if people are doing well, they need not buy the latest and the greatest just for the heck of it.
Since 2012, I have been shooting only in C-log in the C300. So again shooting in the neutral profile of the 1DX II feels a bit strange. Nevertheless, that is what is the best value for my business as of date. Here is a link to 4K footage from 1DXII from my Sundarbans shoot. https://youtu.be/JIVBYVFCmPc
The shots were completely handheld.
Pascal Parvex
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Yeah, I am also more of a gear collector than avid shooter.
Indiawilds: This is really a great video. I also shoot always handheld. Did you grade the video, or are those out-of-camera-colors?
Indiawilds: This is really a great video. I also shoot always handheld. Did you grade the video, or are those out-of-camera-colors?
indiawilds
Veteran
Pascal,
The last two shots are completely untouched. The landscape shots were all shot in good light and have very light contrast and saturation done. The croc shots were also slight pushing down the blacks and touching the highlights. The initial deer shot had a little bit of colour correction. The initial croc shot was done in 4K 50p. It ran much faster than I could swing my camera. The initial croc shot after it has entered into water where it slowly submerges is completely untouched.
Cheers,
Sabyasachi
The last two shots are completely untouched. The landscape shots were all shot in good light and have very light contrast and saturation done. The croc shots were also slight pushing down the blacks and touching the highlights. The initial deer shot had a little bit of colour correction. The initial croc shot was done in 4K 50p. It ran much faster than I could swing my camera. The initial croc shot after it has entered into water where it slowly submerges is completely untouched.
Cheers,
Sabyasachi