16mm dvx look
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Joshua Provost
Veteran
Sure, crank up the gain to create a lot of noise on the image...
In trying to intercut 16mm film footage and DVX footage in the past, the biggest issue was the DVX footage looked way too nice. I ended up having to cruddy up the DVX footage to make it match.
Anyway, if you use a CINELIKE GAMMA mode, add some noise, reduce DETAIL settings, you should be there.
In trying to intercut 16mm film footage and DVX footage in the past, the biggest issue was the DVX footage looked way too nice. I ended up having to cruddy up the DVX footage to make it match.
Anyway, if you use a CINELIKE GAMMA mode, add some noise, reduce DETAIL settings, you should be there.
Mattykins
Cute Member
You aren't going to have your DVX look like 16mm ever. You can use a 35mm adapter to give you the DOF that you get from using film. Which indeed will give you a film look, as will shooting 24FPS.
Gamma curves will aid in the look as well. Since I don't own a DVX I can't help you there. But look around the forum, there are infinite posts that deal with this same topic. Maybe 3 of these a day come up?
But you will never have it look 100% like film. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. But you can get it close.
Gamma curves will aid in the look as well. Since I don't own a DVX I can't help you there. But look around the forum, there are infinite posts that deal with this same topic. Maybe 3 of these a day come up?
But you will never have it look 100% like film. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news. But you can get it close.
dory_breaux
Todd Wannabe
You can not make the DVX look exactly like 16mm. Theres just not enough detail and latitude. There are ways to come close to matching it, but I really just like to find a cool look and go with that.
renegadewill
Well-known member
The biggest myth of the film look is short depth of field. That really depends on the lens, lighting and compositon are more important to your film.
portlandbozz
Active member
dvx100b:
24p(a)
v detail thin
cine like for both matrix and gamma
detail level, v detail level, detail coring, chroma level: -7
master ped. sunlight drop to -8. lowlight/darkout drop to -3
skin detail off
knee auto
shoot 4.3 crop to desire ratio
1/48 shutter
zoom - z40
mz(focus) this is sort of tricky to get a shallow field. what i do is i keep the mf pretty low. microish, 45ish. dependin on the person/object. just raise it up a little bit till what you want is in focus and the background is out. gettin background in focus with the foreground out just do opposite. raise up mf up to like 99 (again, play with it a little bit. most likely wont go below 92) and make sure foreground object is very close to camera. it will knock it out and focus the background.
always keep gain off (low) leave the button on L. use the gain slider in your NLE (post) not alot but enough to where it desaturates the colors a bit and adds a nice bounce of light. gain slider in your nle should be with offset, saturation, gamma exc. usually in color correction. also, even in daylight shooting, sometimes ill desat the colors by -100 default is usually 1.00 set it to -900 or even -800.
for added grain. most post-pro machines have a film grain and a noise effect. use the film grain first for the whites. make sure the grain is small not big blocks of horse sht. then add color noise. adjust noise to your liking. sometimes ill soft blur the picutre by .1 (example. 0-50 soft blur. adjust it to 1 on both vert/horizontal cuz dvx is pretty detailed
24p(a)
v detail thin
cine like for both matrix and gamma
detail level, v detail level, detail coring, chroma level: -7
master ped. sunlight drop to -8. lowlight/darkout drop to -3
skin detail off
knee auto
shoot 4.3 crop to desire ratio
1/48 shutter
zoom - z40
mz(focus) this is sort of tricky to get a shallow field. what i do is i keep the mf pretty low. microish, 45ish. dependin on the person/object. just raise it up a little bit till what you want is in focus and the background is out. gettin background in focus with the foreground out just do opposite. raise up mf up to like 99 (again, play with it a little bit. most likely wont go below 92) and make sure foreground object is very close to camera. it will knock it out and focus the background.
always keep gain off (low) leave the button on L. use the gain slider in your NLE (post) not alot but enough to where it desaturates the colors a bit and adds a nice bounce of light. gain slider in your nle should be with offset, saturation, gamma exc. usually in color correction. also, even in daylight shooting, sometimes ill desat the colors by -100 default is usually 1.00 set it to -900 or even -800.
for added grain. most post-pro machines have a film grain and a noise effect. use the film grain first for the whites. make sure the grain is small not big blocks of horse sht. then add color noise. adjust noise to your liking. sometimes ill soft blur the picutre by .1 (example. 0-50 soft blur. adjust it to 1 on both vert/horizontal cuz dvx is pretty detailed
The 35mm adapter mentioned above could help it "look more like film," but not like 16mm. 16mm is roughly the size of 2/3" chips, so using a method of zooming to reduce the DOF to the appropraite amount could help (although the field of view will be different). Can you get access to a camera with 2/3" chips?
ok, I'm understand ...
Settings
DETAIL LEVEL -7
V DETAIL LEVEL -7
DETAIL CORING -7
CHROMA LEVEL -7
CHROMA PHASE ???
COLOR TEMP ???
MASTER PED -8 or -3
A. IRIS LEVEL ???
GAMMA CINELIKE
KNEE AUTO
MATRIX CINELIKE
SKIN TONE DTL OFF
V DETAIL FREQ THIN
PROGRESSIVE 24p
but and:
CHROMA PHASE ???
COLOR TEMP ???
A. IRIS LEVEL ???
ok, thanks
Settings
DETAIL LEVEL -7
V DETAIL LEVEL -7
DETAIL CORING -7
CHROMA LEVEL -7
CHROMA PHASE ???
COLOR TEMP ???
MASTER PED -8 or -3
A. IRIS LEVEL ???
GAMMA CINELIKE
KNEE AUTO
MATRIX CINELIKE
SKIN TONE DTL OFF
V DETAIL FREQ THIN
PROGRESSIVE 24p
but and:
CHROMA PHASE ???
COLOR TEMP ???
A. IRIS LEVEL ???
ok, thanks
portlandbozz
Active member
leave em 0
Here are the settings that, so far, I like best:
Detail Level -4
V Detail Level 0
Detail Coring 0
Chroma Level -3
Chroma Phase 0
Color Temp 0
Master Ped -5
A Iris Level -2
Gamma Cinelike
Knee Low
Matrix Cinelike
Skintone Detail Off
V Detail Freq Thin
Progressive 24p
I shot a short film recently for a class with most of the settings like those above. The differences of the settings used for the short are:
Gamma Cinelike D
Knee Auto
V Detail Freq Thick
The Auto Knee gave me some problems with exposure whenever I used the Auto Iris function. I have since set the Knee at Low and no longer have that problem when I decide to use the Auto Iris. I have also since switched to Cinelike Gamma because it looks a tad more like film. I am now using the V Deatil Freq at thin at the advice of some of the guys here on the forum. I shot some test footage today and proved the wisdom of that advice. Since I always shoot 16:9, V Detail Freq set at Thin does look better.
I tried the settings offered by portlandbozz and the image is a bit too soft and the colors are too subdued for my taste, but this is just me.
If you want to see a sample of what my settings basically look like, go to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxIfGkaQkyI
Just bear in mind those three settings which I have since changed and youtube's crappy resolution. And, of course, the above settings won't give you the exposure latitude, depth of field or grainy look of true film, but they are fairly close otherwise.
Detail Level -4
V Detail Level 0
Detail Coring 0
Chroma Level -3
Chroma Phase 0
Color Temp 0
Master Ped -5
A Iris Level -2
Gamma Cinelike
Knee Low
Matrix Cinelike
Skintone Detail Off
V Detail Freq Thin
Progressive 24p
I shot a short film recently for a class with most of the settings like those above. The differences of the settings used for the short are:
Gamma Cinelike D
Knee Auto
V Detail Freq Thick
The Auto Knee gave me some problems with exposure whenever I used the Auto Iris function. I have since set the Knee at Low and no longer have that problem when I decide to use the Auto Iris. I have also since switched to Cinelike Gamma because it looks a tad more like film. I am now using the V Deatil Freq at thin at the advice of some of the guys here on the forum. I shot some test footage today and proved the wisdom of that advice. Since I always shoot 16:9, V Detail Freq set at Thin does look better.
I tried the settings offered by portlandbozz and the image is a bit too soft and the colors are too subdued for my taste, but this is just me.
If you want to see a sample of what my settings basically look like, go to:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QxIfGkaQkyI
Just bear in mind those three settings which I have since changed and youtube's crappy resolution. And, of course, the above settings won't give you the exposure latitude, depth of field or grainy look of true film, but they are fairly close otherwise.
portlandbozz
Active member
hey i watched your short about a month ago lol anyway, but yea i did 7 projects wit 16mm and dvx. mixin the footage i found the settings i posted to be the closest match to the 16mm after about 115 hours of testing. the only thing that was really off was the grain. which is only noticeable really dependin on how big the final cut is projected