16 mm camera

I've owned three CP-16's over the years: a CP-16/A plus two CP-16R's. My last one, purchased from Derrick Whitehouse at Whitehouse AV, was a beauty. It was the latest version with the 170 degree shutter, Angenieux 10-150, orientable VF, power zoom and built-in light meter. I bought it in 1995 with some of the proceeds from covering the first OJ Simpson trial.

The film shot with it looked wonderful but I was never able to make any money with it since none of my clients wanted to pay the cost of film, processing, sound syncing, etc. I eventually sold the camera back to Derrick and it ended up somewhere in the South Pacific.

CP-16R's have a few drawbacks. First, you don't thread them, you stuff them. The movement dates back to the days of Auricons where you shot single-system with mag stripe film. Mag stripe has been out of production for at least 20 years, so single-system is no longer an option, and even if it were, the audio quality left much to be desired. It was okay for news and docs, but that was pretty much it. Another problem is lack of video assist. Video assist devices for the CP are few and far between and only B&W at that. Finally, parts --- especially some of the integrated circuits --- are becoming scarce. Remember, we're talking about a camera that was engineered over thirty years ago.

That said, the cameras are generally pretty much bullet proof. During my early days of shooting local news with CP's I was averaging about 1,000 feet of film a day, five days a week. Like a Timex, they took a licking and kept on ticking.

Would I trade my DVX100a for one today. Absolutely not. The DVX is MUCH cheaper to run, probably even more reliable and you don't have to deal with film, processing and all that stuff. And, honestly, the DVX video at 24p --- to my eyes, at least --- looks better.

Mike Parker
www.mp-tv.com
 
bikefilms said:
I think having a sync-sound cam is a luxury; any loud- as- hell Bolex will do. Just wear ear muffs:)


Yeah. You wimps. :grin: What's wrong with doing it the hard way? :evil:


:beer:
 
I've owned a couple of Eclair acl's. Great camera quiet sync sound 200 or 400 foot magazines. The a minima pre rolled film slots straight in their. They're still around and you can build the kit up slowly. Get yourself a body, viewfinder 2 magazines a 12-120 lens and you can start filming. You can make the batteries for these yourself for about £12. From here you can build up. There are plenty of websites to share info on this camera. Sometines you can find these and arri's on ebay.de the german ebay, they seem to be a bit cheaper.
 
Now let me ask you guys...since were on the topic of quiet sync sound cameras, What do you think of the older S16mm Aatons?
 
MOS while commonly (and more amusingly) thought to be Mit Out Sound actually stands for "Minus Optical Strip" from when recording was set using pilot tone out of the camera to a Nagra recorder or the like. I own a 16BolexPro, possibly the most rare 16mm sync sound camera, other than the Mitchell M1. It's great, fairly quiet. If you can ever find one, they are amazing and typically cheap. They have rock steady registration, built in handles with force focus/zoom control, long throat co-axial mags, and, the best part, they are self loading. You load up one side in the tent, take it out, put the mag on the back of the camera, turn a switch, and the camera pulls the film through all of the rollers, and automatically loads it up on the take up side. It's a thing of beauty, and perfect for documentary work, when the D.P. often has to operate as a one man band. Check on www.visualproducts.com I got mine there for the same price as a regular Bolex (which is ridiculous) because they didn't know what it was. Their loss. If you ever find one, they can be services by Steve's Cine Services in Vancouver.
 
Wow, Pilot Tone! That is something I haven't heard in a long time. Kids these days got it so easy. Remeber when we kids. Had to walk 10miles, barefoot, through the snow, up-hill both ways, to the lab just to get our film processed. Oh the good old days. :grin:
 
profnoxin,
The term "MOS" has been used since the '30s, LONG before pilot tone was developed.

The Bolex Pro was a very interseting camera, it just couldn't compete with the entrenched Eclair and emerging ArriSR market at the time. The "auto threading" feature was also a bit more of a pain than the simpler "snap-off, snap-on" Eclair style mags. I think Dieter at Procam in AZ also services these. The way Bolex built stuff, that baby will probably outlast several owners.
Ken
 
profnoxin,

Sorry ol' boy, it was Erich von Stroheim, the over-the-top Austrian helmsman of the 10-hour masterpiece, Greed, who brought us the stereotypical megaphone wielding, monacled, clad in beret and pantaloon image of The Director as we know it today.

Mr. von Stroheim was - or claimed to be - a count, who, after working under the likes of D.W. Griffith, came into his own with Blind Husbands for Universal Pictures.

His penchant for creating 32-reel pictures (about five hours) earned him a dismissal by chairman Irving Thalberg, and a contract at Goldwyn's studios, where Greed was conceived.

All of this happened in the 1920's prior to the invention of sound. It wasn't until Walking Down Broadway - von Stroheim's last picture as a director in 1932 - that he yelled the words... "mit out sprechen!" as the cameras started to roll.

Stroheim.jpg



Technicolor's Definition of MOS

imdb and MOS

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Dyrseve989 said:
^(correction) NEVER FILM A SOUND FILM WITH A NON-SYNC SOUND CAMERA!!!!!!! - (big difference)

Oh, I AGREE! You can't beat them...and they tend to be quiet!

BUT...I had a Bolex EBM camera...it was really great. It was loud as hell..BUT I did shoot alot of sync films...the barney we made looked like something from old doctor who shows.

If your limited on budget...look at the Bolex's...check out this link: http://www.chamblesscineequip.com/Default.htm

Good people and a good idea of prices.
 
the cp-16 is a good camera, but it is a complete tank!
Victor Duncan (Company) in Dallas Texas can service and get you parts or batteries for this camera-
 
Dear Barry_Green :
Are there three kinds of DVX? The DVX100,DVX100A and DVX100B?
The DVX100A be called DVC180A in China,But it has no 24P mode,just only 25P,
Is that different?Could you tell me that how much is the DVX100A in the US.
Thanks a lot.
 
Yes there were three different models, the DVX100, DVX100A and DVX100B.

There was also a short-lived interlace-only camera called the DVC80, which I am guessing was also known as the DVC180 in China.

The DVX100A is discontinued and is no longer available in the US, unless you happen to find a dealer with old stock on hand. A DVX100B goes for around $3500 US.
 
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