16 gig cards next summer

Unfortunate. They aren't a big deal for me but many seem to be really crazy for them to come out. My biggest reason for wanting them out is simply because they'll allow the 4 and 8 gigers to drop more in price. As it stands though, they're dropping pretty nicely anyway.
 
Such mishigos with these P2 cards already. I know the prices are dropping on them, but if an 8GB card will soon cost $1000, then $900, then $800, etc., what's to stop Panasonic from setting those prices now?

I don't see myself buying any P2 cards until the price is low on the 32GB's. Until then, I'm all about the Cineporter, when it hits the market.
 
Jan already confirmed the 8 gig cards early next year, right here on this board.

We've waited for so long, but now they are close.

Let's be patient.
 
alexdias said:
Jan already confirmed the 8 gig cards early next year, right here on this board.

We've waited for so long, but now they are close.

Let's be patient.
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wow. 8 gig next year, great..!!

Sorry, couldnt resist!
 
Abaddon said:
Such mishigos with these P2 cards already. I know the prices are dropping on them, but if an 8GB card will soon cost $1000, then $900, then $800, etc., what's to stop Panasonic from setting those prices now?

I don't see myself buying any P2 cards until the price is low on the 32GB's. Until then, I'm all about the Cineporter, when it hits the market.
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That's like saying hey I can buy a 1GB sandisk card now for $20, why didn't they sell for that when they first come out. It's like any new product on the market. The more that are sold, the cheaper they are to produce. Those savings are usually then passed on to the consumer.
 
ozduc said:
That's like saying hey I can buy a 1GB sandisk card now for $20, why didn't they sell for that when they first come out. It's like any new product on the market. The more that are sold, the cheaper they are to produce. Those savings are usually then passed on to the consumer.
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Yeah, but these prices are bananas for what we get from them.

I read about guys shooting on the field who carry about 12 cards with them cuz they can't lug around laptops and other units to offload constantly. Having to spend thousands of dollars more to replace tape and having to switch cards every few minutes is sick.

In a few years, few people will still be using their 4GB and 8GB cards with cameras like these, when they can have the convenience of using 32GB or 64GB cards.

We're gonna need some serious competition soon to help drive down these prices.
 
I'd be willing to do in field testing of the new 16 gig cards Jan. :)

I'm planning to do some really remote winter stuff via helicopter and that would be a great place to test them out. :)
 
Abaddon said:
Yeah, but these prices are bananas for what we get from them?

I read about guys shooting on the field who carry about 12 cards with them cuz they can't lug around laptops and other units to offload constantly. Having to spend thousands of dollars more to replace tape and having to switch cards every few minutes is sick.

In a few years, few people will still be using their 4GB and 8GB cards with cameras like these, when they can have the convenience of using 32GB or 64GB cards.

We're gonna need some serious competition soon to help drive down these prices.
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Abaddon, have you actually used the cards yet or are you still just off on a rant against them having never actually tried the workflow out for yourself.

Your claim that people won't use the 4 or 8 gig cards is just flat out wrong. If you'd actually been using these things you'd understand why. Popping out a card and putting another one in isn't the end of the world. Especially when you have instant clip access and the ability to delete clips that make your space go MUCH farther. I've been shooting with two 4 gigers. At 720p 24pN, I have NEVER run out of space (20 minutes or recording time there). Perhaps if I was on a shoot that lasted a full 10 hours I might but for most work it's really not that big a deal.

I may well get a 32 gig one day but I don't understand why you seem to think that this will mean I won't use my 4 gigers or any 8 gigers I need. I may get a 32 gig card that will give me a full 80 minutes of footage and then I'll have my two 4 gigers for another 20 minutes. With that, I'll probably never ever had a need to offload (which is hardly a hassle), even if I'm shooting all day. I've worked on a number of very fast moving shoots and I really can't remember a single one where we actually got more than 80 minutes of footage and that's not considering all the footage one can save wth the ability to delete wasted takes (hitting the record button by accident). None of us would have invested in our cards if we actually thought we'd just toss them out when bigger ones came. I personally plan to keep collecting 4 gigers as the price drops further and further because they are easy to archive on regular old DVDs and they just keep getting cheaper. I can easily see myself eventually having a ton of 4 gig cards because they are cheap and have no trouble swapping them in an out. When you're shooting a corporate video, a commercial, a TV show, or a narrative film there's simply gonna be a lot of down time and swapping cards just isn't a big deal. For event shooting I can understand the concern but if that's gonna be your bread and butter then I really don't reccomend the HVX anyway.
 
n8ture said:
I'd be willing to do in field testing of the new 16 gig cards Jan. :)

I'm planning to do some really remote winter stuff via helicopter and that would be a great place to test them out. :)
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More awesome winter footage from Kevin?!? Sweeeet!
 
unfiltered said:
More awesome winter footage from Kevin?!? Sweeeet!
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Hopefully.

For me, I shoot almost all my wildlife at 60fps. So, a 16 gig card would be really sweet for me. I'll bring my laptop up with me but if Jan wants to send me a couple 16 giggers to try out and do a story on me using them up there I wouldn't complain about it. :)

Heck, I'd even sign a NDA to take a handful up with me. :)
 
DavidBeier said:
Abaddon, have you actually used the cards yet or are you still just off on a rant against them having never actually tried the workflow out for yourself.

Your claim that people won't use the 4 or 8 gig cards is just flat out wrong. If you'd actually been using these things you'd understand why. Popping out a card and putting another one in isn't the end of the world. Especially when you have instant clip access and the ability to delete clips that make your space go MUCH farther. I've been shooting with two 4 gigers. At 720p 24pN, I have NEVER run out of space (20 minutes or recording time there). Perhaps if I was on a shoot that lasted a full 10 hours I might but for most work it's really not that big a deal.

I may well get a 32 gig one day but I don't understand why you seem to think that this will mean I won't use my 4 gigers or any 8 gigers I need. I may get a 32 gig card that will give me a full 80 minutes of footage and then I'll have my two 4 gigers for another 20 minutes. With that, I'll probably never ever had a need to offload (which is hardly a hassle), even if I'm shooting all day. I've worked on a number of very fast moving shoots and I really can't remember a single one where we actually got more than 80 minutes of footage and that's not considering all the footage one can save wth the ability to delete wasted takes (hitting the record button by accident). None of us would have invested in our cards if we actually thought we'd just toss them out when bigger ones came. I personally plan to keep collecting 4 gigers as the price drops further and further because they are easy to archive on regular old DVDs and they just keep getting cheaper. I can easily see myself eventually having a ton of 4 gig cards because they are cheap and have no trouble swapping them in an out. When you're shooting a corporate video, a commercial, a TV show, or a narrative film there's simply gonna be a lot of down time and swapping cards just isn't a big deal. For event shooting I can understand the concern but if that's gonna be your bread and butter then I really don't reccomend the HVX anyway.
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Okay, here's the deal.

The HVX does suit all my needs as a camera. It's a good size and the images it produces are fantastic. But in order to take full advantage of all the features, P2 cards are needed. At least until the Cineporter or similar device is released. But still, the cards are light and would make shooting very easy, if they could hold more data.

The people who are raving about the P2's are those who are able to off load
footage quickly, have an assistant constantly swap cards, lug around storage devices, etc. But people like myself don't have that luxury. Sometimes it's just me, the camera, and whatever's in front of me. Sometimes I need to shoot continuously for at least an hour at a time without interruption. And sometimes I'm on the go and need to be able to move to various spots quickly with minimal equipment.

Currently, I am not able to deal with the state of the P2 cards. If the idea is to replace tape, then I need something that's gonna be as easy as tape. 2-4 34GB cards would replace tape nicely, because sometimes I go through several tapes on a shoot. So do you really think I can work with ease using P2 cards now?

And you may say the HVX isn't camera for me. Well that's wrong. The camera is the one for me, but it's not time yet. The time will come when storage is easy. The way things are looking, 32GB and 64GB cards are way down the road, but I believe because of that, products like the Cineporter will do very well until then.

And don't make it seem as if I'm in the minority with my opinion. This is a common issue with many people. If you read a magazine like Digital Videomaker, you'll see that the main problem they have with the camera is that the P2 cards don't hold enough data and they're too expensive. And these are industry people saying this.

So all I'm saying is that currently, the camera won't suit all my needs, but I believe it will within the next few months. And when I do purchase the camera, I'll be on here raving about how much I love it.
 
FilmBoy77 said:
any hint of how much the 16gb p2 cards will cost?
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I would imagine they'd cost at least what the 8GB's cost now, if not what they did cost when they were first released.

You can probably make predictions based on how the prices shifted with SD cards.
 
I assume you mean what TWO 8 gig cards cost, no? That's my guess--about $2500, if not a little more at first release.
 
Abaddon said:
Okay, here's the deal.

The HVX does suit all my needs as a camera. .......
So all I'm saying is that currently, the camera won't suit all my needs, but I believe it will within the next few months. And when I do purchase the camera, I'll be on here raving about how much I love it.
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A little confused here are we?
So after all the post you've done on here bitching and moaning about the P2 workflow, cost of cards, panasonics conspiracy to fleece the consumer for every last penny etc. etc. you're telling us you dont even own the camera? Have you even tried the P2 workflow? Have you at least rented a camera, some cards, a P2 store, anything?
 
Abaddon said:
The people who are raving about the P2's are those who are able to off load
footage quickly, have an assistant constantly swap cards, lug around storage devices, etc. But people like myself don't have that luxury. Sometimes it's just me, the camera, and whatever's in front of me. Sometimes I need to shoot continuously for at least an hour at a time without interruption. And sometimes I'm on the go and need to be able to move to various spots quickly with minimal equipment.
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Abaddon, I don't have an assistant for quickly offloading and lugging around storage drives. Like I said, I've yet to fill up my two 4 gig P2s. 20 minutes is more than enough for me. Like I said, if I was shooting a ten hour day then yes I'd need someone to offload but one needs some sort of a crew for that kind of thing anyway.

Currently, I am not able to deal with the state of the P2 cards. If the idea is to replace tape, then I need something that's gonna be as easy as tape. 2-4 34GB cards would replace tape nicely, because sometimes I go through several tapes on a shoot. So do you really think I can work with ease using P2 cards now?
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What exactly do you shoot? I still don't think you realize how much more economical P2 is (not wasting shots reallyd does make a difference).

The way things are looking, 32GB and 64GB cards are way down the road, but I believe because of that, products like the Cineporter will do very well until then.
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I don't get why you're hot for Cineporter but apparently have no interest in Firestore. It's getting close to offering all the options of Cineporter and it actually has a history behind it (I won't even consider a Cineporter untill people have been testing it for a few months).

And don't make it seem as if I'm in the minority with my opinion. This is a common issue with many people. If you read a magazine like Digital Videomaker, you'll see that the main problem they have with the camera is that the P2 cards don't hold enough data and they're too expensive. And these are industry people saying this.
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You name one magazine. There are tons of people who feel very differently. In general that vibe seems to come from wedding videographers and other types of limited event shooting in which case I don't think the HVX200 is the best camera in the first place.
 
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