C100: "1080p is better than 4k. (Or Why I Chose The Canon C100)"

As much as I like Ryan, but his first point "it's the talent, not the tool"- and I hear that very often - is a kind of misconception IMHO.

It may be true, regarding a carpenters brand of hammer, a brush andwhatnot.
Since none of those tools contribute enough to the talents work, to make or break it.
But a camera can make or break it pretty easy. If the DR isn't there your sky is blown no mater how talented your are.
Of course you can bring in a ton of HMIs and a generator truck, but I think that has nothing to do with talent or craftsmanship, that's just a budget thing.

if you need slowmo and your camera can't, or it is noisy at lowlight, talent doesn't help ether. Except you have the talent to convince folks that this is art and the noise and blown sky is totally intended.

So saying "it's not the carpenter's brand of hammer" is more like saying "it's not the DP's brand of sunglasses".

If the camera doesn't mater, why don't we all shoot on the first version of the GoPro? Or on iPhones? (ja ja, I know some stuff was shot on iPhones, but you get the picture). Cant't get classy blockbuster material on a GoPro? You probably have no talent. No?

My point is, if you want to get a certain quality of material, you have to use a certain quality or type of tool. Period.
Talent can help to camouflage the wrong tool to some degree, but the workaround is so much money and time consuming, that it is not worth it.

On the other hand, if the craftsmanship isn't there, your material will suck, even out of a Alexa or Aaton.
 
Postmaster said:
As much as I like Ryan, but his first point "it's the talent, not the tool"- and I hear that very often - is a kind of misconception IMHO.

It may be true, regarding a carpenters brand of hammer, a brush andwhatnot.
Since none of those tools contribute enough to the talents work, to make or break it.
But a camera can make or break it pretty easy. If the DR isn't there your sky is blown no mater how talented your are.
Of course you can bring in a ton of HMIs and a generator truck, but I think that has nothing to do with talent or craftsmanship, that's just a budget thing.

if you need slowmo and your camera can't, or it is noisy at lowlight, talent doesn't help ether. Except you have the talent to convince folks that this is art and the noise and blown sky is totally intended.

So saying "it's not the carpenter's brand of hammer" is more like saying "it's not the DP's brand of sunglasses".

If the camera doesn't mater, why don't we all shoot on the first version of the GoPro? Or on iPhones? (ja ja, I know some stuff was shot on iPhones, but you get the picture). Cant't get classy blockbuster material on a GoPro? You probably have no talent. No?

My point is, if you want to get a certain quality of material, you have to use a certain quality or type of tool. Period.
Talent can help to camouflage the wrong tool to some degree, but the workaround is so much money and time consuming, that it is not worth it.

On the other hand, if the craftsmanship isn't there, your material will suck, even out of a Alexa or Aaton.
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On top of that, Carpenters usually do by specific brands of hammers, because yes in fact, some hammer brands are better than others, and there are many types of hammers, you use the right hammer for the right job, regardless of how well you can swing it. Same goes for brushes, many brands, some quality, some not, many types of bristles, widths, thicknesses, lengths, weights, kinds of paints the brushes can be used with, etc...

The tool is just as important as the talent. Also, with a good tool, it will probably be easier to learn to be better at your trade.
 
Ive been building out my studio.

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This chop saw saved us hours.. sure we could have done the job with a hand saw, or a cheap one

So often the tool is not about the result but the journey to the final result - keeping that journey smooth, fast and cost effective

Ryan obviously thinks the C100 is good for his journey for many legitimate reasons, and some slightly shaky ones

I happen to disagree but that is fine - im on a different journey

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The biggest bug with "it's the talent not the tool" has to be the assumption (I guess?) that talented people use poor tools, and untalented use good ones?

What about a talented guy/girl that can either use a good tool or a bad one?

The best of tools doesn't automatically make you talented (I'm looking at you, golf equipment manufacturers), but surely the same person might do better with the best possible tool, than a mediocre one?

That said, the C100 is an excellent camera that anyone can do great stuff with.
 
I don't understand why anyone would argue with the "It's the Indian and not the arrow" concept. Sure, better arrows make for more lethal Indians but the artist lives between your ears...not in your camera.
 
Some tools i.e cameras just get out of the way so that you can freely create something worthwhile of your vision. With another camera you might have to fight to get it to where you want. Both will probably get you near your vision but one gets you there without the headache. I prefer the headache free one.
 
AndreeOnline said:
But that's the whole point, isn't it?

I mean, the artist is a constant. It's you.

Everything is a bit of a "I'd rather be rich and healthy, than sick and poor" reasoning.
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I should have said "can make for more lethal Indians". I'd rather my dachshund come at me with a modern crossbow and a scope than Tonto with an old long bow and a wooden arrow...wouldn't you?
 
mhood said:
I should have said "can make for more lethal Indians". I'd rather my dachshund come at me with a modern crossbow and a scope than Tonto with an old long bow and a wooden arrow...wouldn't you?
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=)

Yes. But you're doing exactly what I said was the bug in my first post.

The question is whether you'd like your dachshund to have a modern crossbow with a scope, or an old long bow with a wooden arrow? The dachshund remains.

Regardless of camera choice, the person holding the camera in the end is the same in all use cases. Everything else makes no sense.
 
It's the Indian. And don't trifle with my pack of dachshunds...they will shred your ankles and when you hit the ground, they go right for the jugular vein. :-)
 
Sure the tool is just important as the talent if you are outside shooting shots of the sky and people walking around. Doesn't require much talent.

But if you are making creative decisions for a client or especially a creative project, those skills are MUCH more important. The ability to have a creative vision in terms of lighting, lenses, camera movement, story, and working with others are so much more important than the camera. People hire your for those skills. They don't hire you for your dynamic range or bit rate or chroma subsampling or any other nonsense.
 
remsyatassi said:
People hire your for those skills.
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OK, so you get hired. For exactly the reasons you stated. Artistic skill. Vision. Adaptive mindset.

Up to this point everyone in this thread already agree.

Now, what do we put in your hands? A shitty camera, or a good camera? Of those two options, what camera will increase the success rate and elevate the quality of your work?
 
AndreeOnline said:
Now, what do we put in your hands? A s*%tty camera, or a good camera? Of those two options, what camera will increase the success rate and elevate the quality of your work?
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The producers will hopefully put the right tool for the job in your hands. And it may or may not be the camera you own.
 
Stephen Mick said:
The producers will hopefully put the right tool for the job in your hands. And it may or may not be the camera you own.
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That can be true for some camera operators.

Other people invest in a camera that suits their skill set and then offer their services. It's fair to assume that in this case, the camera comes with the package and camera choice by owner/operator might be a factor.
 
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