five minutes and voice-over

wcs said:
I've stepped beyond it twice, and come to the conclusions I've stated in the first post.

Please, I hope nobody is interpreting my responses as snobby or mean. This is just my debate face I'm showing. I know this proposal will be met with reasonable disagreement, so I'm trying to focus the debate. I apologize if I seem abrupt. This is just a friendly debate I'm trying to stir up.
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Whoa, that was Kholi's quote, not mine. :thumbsup:
 
wcs said:
I've stepped beyond it twice, and come to the conclusions I've stated in the first post.

Please, I hope nobody is interpreting my responses as snobby or mean. This is just my debate face I'm showing. I know this proposal will be met with reasonable disagreement, so I'm trying to focus the debate. I apologize if I seem abrupt. This is just a friendly debate I'm trying to stir up.
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I know what you're getting at. I don't take it as anything other than debate... and I'm debating with you and trying to pose some insight at the same time.

I think you should embrace the time limit. It gives you the upper-hand on everyone else that can't produce good work in an alotted amount of time. Just think what the people in twenty-four hour contests go through? There's no debating, no questioning, just hardcore filmmaking.

With this theme?? Really, five minutes is plenty of time to introduce a memorable character, conflict, and image.
 
Blaine said:
Whoa, that was Kholi's quote, not mine. :thumbsup:
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Yeah, that was my quote. LoL. It wasn't meant as an attack, either. It was more like encouragement.
 
Blaine said:
Sometime we're going to have to talk screenwriting. That's my favorite part of the whole process. To me, that is where the real "creation" is.
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The beauty is in the writing, for me. The rest is not-screwing-it-up. But, again, I'm not a strong visual artist, or a strong director. I'm just not totally imcompetent with those two things, and I don't really trust anyone else to understand my screenplays before they're put up on the screen.
 
Really sorry about the misquote, guys. I guess I was just going a little too fast.
 
wcs said:
The beauty is in the writing, for me. The rest is not-screwing-it-up. But, again, I'm not a strong visual artist, or a strong director. I'm just not totally imcompetent with those two things, and I don't really trust anyone else to understand my screenplays before they're put up on the screen.
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Oh, man. I sympathize with you on that, seriously.

It's hard to convey, through words, what you're planning or plotting for a movie. That's part of the reason I never tell anyone about what I'm doing, if not the largest reason.

I'd rather show than tell, y'know?

I think you're going to do fine with the vast amount of time we're given on this competition.
 
wcs said:
Really sorry about the misquote, guys. I guess I was just going a little too fast.
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Not a problem with me as long as everyone's civil. And that's not been a problem here.

wcs said:
The beauty is in the writing, for me. The rest is not-screwing-it-up. But, again, I'm not a strong visual artist, or a strong director. I'm just not totally imcompetent with those two things, and I don't really trust anyone else to understand my screenplays before they're put up on the screen.
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I've taken my shot at novels a couple of times but I LOVE screenwriting because it IS so visual. I love the constraints of 90-115 pages to tell a story. And to tell it in pictures. If you've ever read Thomas Harris, he writes in an extremely visual style that makes his works transfer easily from print to film.
 
Kholi said:
I think you're going to do fine with the vast amount of time we're given on this competition.
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I've already got my script outlined in my head, with the arc and the important scenes storyboarded (in my head, again).

I've learned so much through the two other competitions I've been in. It's about using what you have, and working around the rest. Modular scripts, getting one good actor for five minutes rather than two for a week, etc.

I'm going to enter my movie, and it'll be under the alloted time. I just want my characters to be able draw a few more breaths before they die when the lights go up.
 
wcs said:
I've already got my script outlined in my head, with the arc and the important scenes storyboarded (in my head, again).

I've learned so much through the two other competitions I've been in. It's about using what you have, and working around the rest. Modular scripts, getting one good actor for five minutes rather than two for a week, etc.

I'm going to enter my movie, and it'll be under the alloted time. I just want my characters to be able draw a few more breaths before they die when the lights go up.
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I have a feeling you're going to do fine. :thumbsup:
 
Blaine said:
Not a problem with me as long as everyone's civil. And that's not been a problem here.


I've taken my shot at novels a couple of times but I LOVE screenwriting because it IS so visual. I love the constraints of 90-115 pages to tell a story. And to tell it in pictures. If you've ever read Thomas Harris, he writes in an extremely visual style that makes his works transfer easily from print to film.
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Not that I like to reference them too much, but the Waichowski brothers (Spelling?) write prose VERY well. I almost died reading The Matrix script. Whoo boy, it's awesome.

"The pistol spitting bullets"

So industry standard, now-a-days.
 
Blaine said:
I have a feeling you're going to do fine.
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Thanks for the sentiment.

I'll just say, I know myself well. I know my limitations. I'm not saying my five minute movie will suck. I'm saying it won't be nearly as good as my seven minute movie.

And I'm saying, based upon the evidence I presented in the beginning, that it isn't just me.
 
I'm saying I'll watch an hour of Uwe Boll if I can see seven minutes of kenneth branaugh reading the phone book.

I'm not afraid of the suck.
 
wcs said:
I'm saying I'll watch an hour of Uwe Boll if I can see seven minutes of kenneth branaugh reading the phone book.

I'm not afraid of the suck.
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My second great laugh of the night...thanx. :grin: :grin: :grin:
 
briceman said:
Hey... this thread has just been a lot of... going round and round the same point IMO. What's the point?
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Yeah? We're having fun, where have you been? :evil:
 
I'll reitterate my points, for those who will join us at the non-insane hours of the day:

for zombiefest 5 minutes was fine
for scifest, 6 minutes seemed to (statistically) force directors to use voice-overs if they wanted to tell a moving story.
I don't want to be forced to use a voice-over.
for herofest, we're back to 5 minutes.

I gave my attempt at explaining this phenomenom on the first page.

I'd like to disassociate this argument from being about me, and I'll ask that it be about my presentation of the facts.

I'd like a little more time. This is my proposal to the higher-ups (jarred, etc)
 
wcs said:
I'll reitterate my points, for those who will join us at the non-insane hours of the day:

for zombiefest 5 minutes was fine
for scifest, 6 minutes seemed to (statistically) force directors to use voice-overs if they wanted to tell a moving story.
I don't want to be forced to use a voice-over.
for herofest, we're back to 5 minutes.

I gave my attempt at explaining this phenomenom on the first page.

I'd like to disassociate this argument from being about me, and I'll ask that it be about my presentation of the facts.

I'd like a little more time. This is my proposal to the higher-ups (jarred, etc)
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Well... I think it forces all of us to be a bit more creative with our storytelling. It stretches us (in a great way!). I for one know I'll be having some voiceover in the beginning to set things up. I didn't have any VO in my sci-fest entry, so I think I'm gunna try a different way of telling a story with this fest :) Try new things. Take risks, have fun, and try to tell a great fun entertaining story in the allotted time of 5 min :)
 
briceman said:
Take risks, have fun, and try to tell a great fun entertaining story in the allotted time of 5 min
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You're statements could all apply to 'seven minutes', also, do you agree? It's certainly not a long time.

But, in the morning, jarred could wake up and go

"What is all this racket. Five minutes was official. Sorry man."

This is not under the assumption that the rules are finalized.
 
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