NAB 2023 Rumors & Wishes

I feel like I heard the same arguments when HD was introduced, and then again when 4K started appearing.

It's inevitable that 8K is coming. Really it's already here. Already I see a lot of broadcast 8K cameras are announced for NAB. It's the natural progression of technology. While we barely have 8K monitors, having a higher resolution on capture has some benefits for supersampling, noise. I find many of those high res 8K cameras are actually *softer* on a face because I guess supersampling? If you light for beauty I mean...It's the opposite of what you think on skin.

The benefits are incremental for sure, and good practitioners of the craft will always make great work with whatever they have. I agree though with the notion that it is truly dumb to buy a camera you can't afford media for. That's just bad planning. Having a higher capture just makes that a more expensive proposition in media consumption and speed requirements.

Blackmagic already make a camera that is 12K that can record BRAW to a single CFAST at most of their lower tier data rates. If you use both cards then you get access to all the higher frame rates and it's as simple as putting all the files in the same folder when you offload them. 120@8K at 12 bit log is very very nice for beauty and commercial work. If you forget to put the two cards into a single folder then all that happens is the file plays at half the frame rate you shot. Also easily fixed by merging the two folders.

You can do it with a RED, but it's nice to have a smaller much less expensive camera with non-proprietary media option too. It's really not that different.
 
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They switched to CFexpress with the V-Raptor and V-Raptor XL, but the old ones do use mini-mags (which also have been lost from their site, ha...RED appears to have scrapped all of their cameras besides the 3 mentioned in this post).

They have their branded CFexpress cards [made by Angelbird], but I would be surprised to hear you have to use them since they also have RED branded CFast but I never used those with the Komodo (and they have a list of other accepted CFast media).
 
DLD said:
To borrow a quote from "Cool hand Luke" - " What we've got here is failure to communicate".

That's because we're not talking here about cinematography skills, shot composition or life experiences. It's purely a gear talk. It's lumen, CRI, F-stops and kilowatt hours. It's megapixels and megabits/bytes per second. One can contribute to the topic of conversation by discussing the technology in question. Or one can take a low road.
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To borrow another quote from Cool hand Luke . . . "Some men you just can't reach."
If you want to shoot 8K RAW with multiple cards, knock yourself out. I look forward to seeing the results of your efforts. Please post a link.
 
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DLD said:
.... Sony has to decide if it wants to go under Fuji. At the same time, it has a 33 MPX full frame A7IV, making the next likely step in FF with a 42 MPX A7V (with a relatively old but updated sensor from A7RIII). ... .
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Close enough - just announced a 44.72 MPX sensor.


https://www.sony-semicon.com/files/6...6AJK_Flyer.pdf

Doug Jensen said:
To borrow another quote from Cool hand Luke . . . "Some men you just can't reach."
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That's because, stewardess, I don't speak jive.
 
Canon Rumors doesn't think there'll be a R7C, a cinema style camera based on R7. There may be something else. I speculated earlier that an RF mount APS-C model will be the replacement for C200, while something off R5 will be a full frame version replacement for C500 MKII.

Or not.
 
DLD said:
Canon Rumors doesn't think there'll be a R7C, a cinema style camera based on R7. There may be something else. I speculated earlier that an RF mount APS-C model will be the replacement for C200, while something off R5 will be a full frame version replacement for C500 MKII.

Or not.
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NAB (the exhibition part) starts tomorrow, and it is remarkable if Canon has managed to keep the launch of a new cine camera secret until now.

I'll be surprised if Canon announces anything major at NAB at all. (But happy to be proven wrong!)
 
I'm surprised there haven't been any leaks today, just a few lens announcements and light, gimbal, monitor blips. Hoping it's not a surprise "nothing" year, I don't think anything on my list earlier in the thread would be out of the question by this year with all the other 8K mirrorless developments leading up to it. I guess we'll see if press releases start flying tomorrow morning, I'll be heading there with my brother in any case, see you all there!
 
norway said:
NAB (the exhibition part) starts tomorrow, and it is remarkable if Canon has managed to keep the launch of a new cine camera secret until now.

I'll be surprised if Canon announces anything major at NAB at all. (But happy to be proven wrong!)
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It'll be either at the NAB or Cinegear, since technically Canon makes more of a cinema-centric rather than a broadcast type product.

In terms of the sensor size, they're pretty much up against the limit in the APS-C hybrids, where Fuji is allocated the high end, but there's room in the video lineup between the $1,800 APS-C FX-30 and the $3,900 full frame FX-3. Splitting the difference between the two, Canon can create a $2,500-$2,700 APS-C video camera. It would likely be 6K only but it should have a full readout at 120 fps and internal Canon Raw Light (+ H265 and H264).

Their high end should then be around $10,000 (I used to think they'll have something in the $15,000 range but that would have to be a 10K-12K model a la BMD Ursa Mini Pro, doable in the long run but not necessary for 2023, unless Canon wants to make an engineering statement). That would be an 8K Raw with 120 fps capability, IBIS, CRL and so on.

That is my market eyeballing. I can be wrong.
 
DLD said:
It'll be either at the NAB or Cinegear, since technically Canon makes more of a cinema-centric rather than a broadcast type product.

In terms of the sensor size, they're pretty much up against the limit in the APS-C hybrids, where Fuji is allocated the high end, but there's room in the video lineup between the $1,800 APS-C FX-30 and the $3,900 full frame FX-3. Splitting the difference between the two, Canon can create a $2,500-$2,700 APS-C video camera. It would likely be 6K only but it should have a full readout at 120 fps and internal Canon Raw Light (+ H265 and H264).

Their high end should then be around $10,000 (I used to think they'll have something in the $15,000 range but that would have to be a 10K-12K model a la BMD Ursa Mini Pro, doable in the long run but not necessary for 2023, unless Canon wants to make an engineering statement). That would be an 8K Raw with 120 fps capability, IBIS, CRL and so on.

That is my market eyeballing. I can be wrong.
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Hope you're right!

If Canon doesn't announce anything, I'll be looking at the Fujifilm X-H2S, EOS C70 or R5 C. My main reason to upgrade is to get better AF (the Canon R cameras and Sonys already have this), and something more gimbal friendly. The X-H2S is about $2,500, so it is a great deal. The AF and lens availability is the only thing that worries me.
 
I don't know if we'll ever see another camera surprise these days (like for the big ones, not a random P&S); some piece of info would always be out way in advance.
 
norway said:
Looks like this is all Canon wants to talk about at this year’s NAB. But hey, at least there is firmware.
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I was really expecting Canon to release something new. Surprised there are no new RF mount cinema cameras. Oh well. Pretty tame NAB so far overall.
 
Every big camera in the last 6-7-8 years was leaked at least 24-48 hours before an official announcement (with most leaking 2-3 weeks, and some months), so I wasn't expecting anything.

And even if any leaked details don't have a model name or aren't completely accurate - or just way off - there is still some buzz about something, and for this event I didn't hear/see anything leading up to it.
 
NorBro said:
Every big camera in the last 6-7-8 years was leaked at least 24-48 hours before an official announcement (with most leaking 2-3 weeks, and some months), so I wasn't expecting anything.

And even if any leaked details don't have a model name or aren't completely accurate - or just way off - there is still some buzz about something, and for this event I didn't hear/see anything leading up to it.
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Very true. Although with the price cuts on the C300 Mark III and C500 Mark II recently it seemed like maybe a new model or two was imminent.
 
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