Liam Hall
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No. I hate shoe mounts, hot or cold. I don't mind using little cams like the R5 as a B cam but I can't trust them enough to replace a grown-up camera. Too many fiddly little things that are doomed to fail.
Cinema EOS Announcement on 19th Jan - EOS R5C
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No. I hate shoe mounts, hot or cold. I don't mind using little cams like the R5 as a B cam but I can't trust them enough to replace a grown-up camera. Too many fiddly little things that are doomed to fail.
ahalpert
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I have questions
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totally agree.
cyvideo
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That's what I'm really like on the a7iv. The less the one-second quick select ring (Photo/Video/S&Q) mode below the top mode dial.
For example, if you set your video to 50th @ F/8.0 and 1600 ISO and then flick the mode selector ring to photo whatever you previously had selected in the stills settings is instantly loaded. Maybe it was 200th @ F/2.8 and 400 ISO. It's all there. Absolutely no cross-contamination between photo, video and S&Q settings. Three totally independent settings and preferences zones. Instantly jump without a thought from your preferred video and programmable button layout settings to your preferred photo and programmable button layout settings without even taking the camera from your eye. Really quick and simple.
The shutter speed setting for example. In stills mode I have the center rear wheel set to shutter as per fairly common practice. In video mode, my right-hand rear lockable wheel is set to shutter. That way in video mode I can't accidentally bump the shutter wheel to a 40th for example as it's locked. Something I've accidentally done on the a7iii a number of times bumped up or down from a 50th. If I want to change the shutter in video mode, not often then it's just one click on the center button to unlock the rightmost wheel and then rotate to select the speed I want.
Chris Young
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If nothing else, this feels like a Komodo killer in many ways.
High1ander
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It is much more for the journalists that are doing "planned work", i.e. you do an interview or something similar, and the media company wants content for both their printed versions and for their website, and the website is a mix of written words and videos.
Basically all the news sites I use have "mixed media", some short clips mixed with longer interviews, etc. on the same subject/story... Much cheaper to send out "one" guy to collect all, than having a staffed photographer running alongside a journalist for simple stuff. - I ain't saying it is good and preferred, just that more and more jobs/journalism are heading that way.
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To me, it is kind of a good camera, in a way. But suffers from being sold as a mini affordable “A-cam”, and it isn’t.
It was purpose built as an action cam for higher end cinema, and in that regard it is very very very good. Andni love that in design it is so perfectly specific.
But it absolutely doesn’t really cut it as anything else.
Look at it vs the R5C:
- s35 6K vs FF35 8K
- raw vs raw
- iso2000 max vs iso6400 fairly clean
- 12+ stops DR vs 12+stops DR (in video, stills not sure yet)
- $10K to get up and running vs $7K
- ok auto focus vs good autofocus
- RF vs RF
- Red colour science vs Canon’s
- no evf vs Built in EVF
- Built in too screen poor resolution vs high resolution flippy screen
the list can go on, but you get the idea. the Canon is cheaper, better, and larger format and higher resolution.
morgan_moore
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But papers don’t have planned work and fast reaction departments
ok well they have news and features in my day - now they have interns
I don’t see any journalist precluding them selves kit wise from covering the live news story
joutnalusts want to cover the riot even if the reality of the job is over 80s tea dances
not when flipping is near instant in the r6 and z6- just two cameras I happen to have done Getty assignments with
Ben_Ericson
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Have you guys used the Komodo? It's a fun camera to use. I guess it really just depends what type of work you are doing. Tons of people are using the Komodo as an A cam and creating really nice images.
I have to disagree about the Komodo IQ. I used the Canon C70 a ton last year for b-cam / gimbal etc. I own the Komodo now as well. The Komodo image is just so much better. There's actual texture and beautiful natural saturation. The Canon C70 just feels so thin in comparison. Great in the right setting, but the Komodo image is much much better. Maybe RAW gets closer. I dunno.
S35? They make a speed booster.
Global vs Rolling Shutter
SDI vs Mini HDMI
Metal Build vs Plastic
Great Battery Life vs R5? Likely to be an issue. Needs external power for some modes. They should have just used the C300 batteries like the C70.
Really great iPhone Monitoring and Control vs Not sure what Canon is doing. I'm sure they've got something. The Komodo is great in my experience.
ahalpert
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"I have questions" is something people who don't watch star trek or star wars say. It's a snarky expression of doubt
Personally, I don't think the R5 or R5C or S1H are headliner cameras... I would think that the C300-level 8K module (or next gen camera) would make more of an impact in 8K awareness and adoption
8K, raw or otherwise, is also costlier in post. So there are downsides.
But I would imagine that if you have a client for whom you're handling shooting and editing from start to finish, and they don't know what type of cameras you're using, and you offer to produce it in 8K, then they might be interested and start requesting that. Unless you charge them more for it, in which case they may weigh the benefits or dismiss it out of hand
Liam Hall
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Some points on your points:
I'd rather have a full frame sensor than use a speed boosters. Had one on my FS7 for five years so know their strengths and weaknesses. Speed boosters introduce internal flares, change the bokeh, you can't use an ND mount for example. A FF sensor you can crop-in to S35 at the touch of a button...
Rolling shutter not been an issue for me with the R5 (that may be due to it's use as a B-cam and the subject matter).
Yeah, I'm an SDI user and have hated HDMI in all its rotten shapes and sizes but there we are!
R5C has a magnesium alloy body, not plastic. I do think the C70 'feels' plasticky though and the screen on the R5 is an accident waiting to happen.
Battery is crap on the Canon. I guess they wanted to keep the form factor. At least there are a couple of options for external power.
And you're just having a laugh with iPhone monitoring. That really has no place on set other than for setting up a crash cam or flying a cheap drone.
Komodo makes nice pictures for sure but it's not particularly versatile.
Biggest wins for the R5C over the R5 for me are timecode-in. Dedicated video menu. Better recording options. Extended recording times. Oh, and the red button.
The sheer number of R5/C units moved make it a "mainstream" camera and bring the 8K adoption much closer to the widespread buyer demand. Now, add Z9 and A1 and whatever 8K are announced out at CP+ in February and the 8K crawl might be turning into the 8K gallop.
With the usual caveats in mind.
PS. Did I happen to mention that R5C is $4,500? It might have slipped my mind,
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Sometimes the best settings and specs are using our brain. this is brilliant.
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Getting a FF35 8K raw camera with good colour science to market in the most popular form factor all under $5K is a big deal, really.
Canon still carries a lot of clout and momentum, something the Panasonic S1H never had, and the uncertainty of Nikon in the “cine” sphere would sort of wet-blanket them a little.
One thing about Canon stills, they make great images. Up till now, they been locked up in some for of compression or overheating, so, this will be verrrrrrrrrrrrry interesting to see how well they implement it, and given the R5 quality in raw, i think they have a good thing, overall. not saying it meets my needs, or is my perfect camera or anything, but as far as being viable to a larger consumer base and actually being a good image, i think this camera is the real tip of the spear.
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In regards to micro hdmi vs full size, i find that with a proper cage and a right angle micro hdmi to straight full size hdmi short adapter cable, there is no issues. I did this setup with the A7sII, and it protected the port from damage and also gave me the peace of mind that i was using the cable and not wearing out the actual port.
With operator side mount full sized hdmi ports, i find even a right angle hdmi sticks out pretty far. and i just don’t trust hdmi for frequent plug and unplugging.
i had a cable similar to this:
https://www.dhgate.com/product/micro...468771356.html
it was low profile enough to not peptide beyond my cage, and since it diverted the cable up, the cable coil again attach to the cage to prevent snagging damage. the the full size female hdmi end was the interface. I actually rand a short hdmi cable from that to a Wooden Camera converter C-Box and got multiple HD-SDI from a good mount battery plate that powered the whole rig.
So, after that experience, i hate to say this, but i actually prefer the micro hdmi.
i suppose mini and micro are different sizes, so i think either one is fine. but full-size hdmi doesn’t personally give me any confidence. unlike BNC, hdmi wasn’t made for professional use, so full-size hdmi doesn’t add anything for me, just means that side mounted hdmi cable is sticking out even further, and will wear out (maybe not an issue with how fast cameras are replaced these days, lol)
With operator side mount full sized hdmi ports, i find even a right angle hdmi sticks out pretty far. and i just don’t trust hdmi for frequent plug and unplugging.
i had a cable similar to this:
https://www.dhgate.com/product/micro...468771356.html
it was low profile enough to not peptide beyond my cage, and since it diverted the cable up, the cable coil again attach to the cage to prevent snagging damage. the the full size female hdmi end was the interface. I actually rand a short hdmi cable from that to a Wooden Camera converter C-Box and got multiple HD-SDI from a good mount battery plate that powered the whole rig.
So, after that experience, i hate to say this, but i actually prefer the micro hdmi.
i suppose mini and micro are different sizes, so i think either one is fine. but full-size hdmi doesn’t personally give me any confidence. unlike BNC, hdmi wasn’t made for professional use, so full-size hdmi doesn’t add anything for me, just means that side mounted hdmi cable is sticking out even further, and will wear out (maybe not an issue with how fast cameras are replaced these days, lol)
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Has any one found a low profile right angle full sized hdmi? i’ve searched a few years with no luck. perhaps they are all listed on the second page of google?