Thomas Smet
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Its a slow news day. What do you expect. We are like vultures watching an animal about to die.
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Its a slow news day. What do you expect. We are like vultures watching an animal about to die.
NorBro
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You for real, or just kidding?
If you're for real then you need to learn more about the world yourself and not from a forum.
Thomas Smet
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Not true at all. I live DJ EDM for my colleagues at work since the Pandemic started. The music may be recorded but I still make it a live performance as a way to give back to my friends. I also get to combine my DJ past and my live streaming past, 3D animation and design past in a new way. Live streaming never looked this good or was this fun. I used to have to use expensive live switchers and we were lucky to stream 640x360 over corporate networks. Now I stream 1920x1080 with animation, graphics and live keying all through OBS and a few HDMI capture devices.
ahalpert
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Roger Deakins will never be replaced by an iPhone.
"But Abe, you're not Roger Deakins."
No, but I serve a different sector and bring experience and talent to bear there in a cost-effective manner, with the versatility required to retool and rebudget to meet changing circumstances.
"But Abe, you're not Roger Deakins."
No, but I serve a different sector and bring experience and talent to bear there in a cost-effective manner, with the versatility required to retool and rebudget to meet changing circumstances.
Thomas Smet
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None of this is based on a forum. You clearly have some kind of grudge or axe to grind about this. I taught video production at a college for three years and worked for numerous production companies. Yeah they are struggling but thats because that business model is not working as well as it once did.
Maybe you have been replaced by technology but I absolutely have not. Many of my friends who run their own small productions companies have a ton of work. The wedding market is massive now compared to what it used to be and so forth. Where is your doom and gloom coming from? Clearly we view this from two very different perspectives. One of my former bosses sees it your way as well. The projects and revenue are a fraction of what it used to be but thats more due to the small producers that have popped up.
Sure certain tasks may be replaced like photo retouching or tape to DVD transfer. Things change but the point is to adapt to the industry. Still an endless field of opportunities out there if you embrace them.
NorBro
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My friend used to teach video production for free at the local community college until it was replaced with a social media class.
I'm indifferent to it all, man...I don't care either way, honestly.
If a phone looks half as good as a R5, I'm buying it. If it doesn't, I'm not.
As far as everyone else, good luck out there.
I'm indifferent to it all, man...I don't care either way, honestly.
If a phone looks half as good as a R5, I'm buying it. If it doesn't, I'm not.
As far as everyone else, good luck out there.
rob norton
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Are you out of the video production game completely/would you ever get back in?
stoneinapond
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Typesetting.....
NorBro
Major Contributor
I will never stop creating videos - even if it's only one a year - so I'll never be completely out.
But post-production is really my career path/future.
rob norton
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ahalpert
Major Contributor
Nice!
Maybe you and abe can go into business together until the uprising
Ah, Rob the peacemaker. But I think NorBro and I are too alike to collaborate
Public libraries run on a taxpayers dime, so they'll be around much like AMTRAK, however useless to the population at large.
And, to state the obvious, there are a lot of industries that have been rendered obsolete by the technological advancement. Live musicians were about to be replaced by synthesizers on Broadway a decade ago but political pressure forced the producers to walk back the idea. And, naturally, all pit musicians can be currently replaced by the home based artists across the globe performing via a digital connection. YouTube is full of clips like that.
As to camera operators - while it is indeed a skill, it's eminently learnable and teachable. It's not like being a Messi, a Linoy or an Oistrakh. The industry overall has benefited from the falling gear prices - including lighting and editing hardware/software - and from the subsequent gain in value per given investment. That and video streaming brought substantially more money into the video labor market. But, if one follows trends, the increase in competent professionals will drive the rates much lower for most jobs. And it's not about smartphones either. It's just that smartphone cameras will be almost on the level of the ILC's within the next two-four years much like the "consumer" ILC's are already at or beyond the level of the 35mm film or of $250,000 digital cameras of a decade ago. In other words, an A7SIII is already better for most jobs than F35. And A7SIV will be better yet.
PS. I harbor no love lost for the deceitful practices of the Japanese photo-video cartel. While I think the practice ought to be legal, it's currently prohibited by the anti-trust laws in most nations. Worst of all, it is hushed up by both the "reputable" media and the YouGoobers alike. In that sense, I couldn't care less if Panasonic shuts down down its digital camera division. It actually deserves to go down in flames.
ahalpert
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Taxpayer dollars created the internet to begin with. Libraries provide internet access to tons of people who can't get online at home. Now you can even borrow ebooks and stream movies from your library remotely with a library card.
I don't know about this, but it sounds like bullshit. I mean, if people are going to broadway in the first place... why aren't they just watching a movie instead? Or streaming the Broadway performance from home? The whole point is to have a live, in-person experience. That's what keeps theaters going in the first place. Sort of like saying microwaveable pizza would put pizzerias out of business. I'm sure it made an impact. But you're not making a qualitative assessment or comparison or an analysis of consumer motives.
But it was already eminently learnable and teachable. I learned it... and mostly from *books that I borrowed from libraries*. (Seriously.) And on the job. I studied filmmaking in college, but most of my professionally useful skills and information was acquired after and, frankly, I could have spared myself the expense.
If my only job security was that I could afford an expensive camera and someone else couldn't, then I would be in serious trouble. Anyway, entry-level cameras were already available for the cost of an iphone when I entered the industry.
I welcome the competition. Declining rates bad. But I think that things must stabilize, just like camera sales. Not sure where but somewhere above zero. And again, that whole having skills and experience thing and reliability that people will pay extra for.
I've crossed paths with or heard tell of numerous rich kids who bought $100k's of gear after college. Someone at Abel cine tech told me that a 22 year old bought a top of the line RED. Then had to go back to his parents for more money to buy a set of arri primes because he forgot about the lenses. Such people don't really have a leg up, although I'm sure that other people are happy to exploit their gear. I think that sooner rather than later they wash out and go into "business"
I don't really care about manufacturers, just cameramen. But also - people's jobs are on the line at the manufacturers, too
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Peter C.
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Sounds like DLD and NorBro distrust and fear change. The older you get I understand you can feel overwhelmed by the changes in technology. These changes often displace jobs and if you’re directly effected and ill equipped to adapt then you’ll have a negative viewpoint.
I found the most important thing in life is have a positive outlook, a glass half full approach. Otherwise if you have a pessimistic view, you’ll seek out all the negatives in life to confirm your bias. Camera companies will be plotting against you, jobs will be disappearing and society will be on a steady decline with no hope, etc.
There are both good and bad things in life. What you choose to dwell on is up to you.
I found the most important thing in life is have a positive outlook, a glass half full approach. Otherwise if you have a pessimistic view, you’ll seek out all the negatives in life to confirm your bias. Camera companies will be plotting against you, jobs will be disappearing and society will be on a steady decline with no hope, etc.
There are both good and bad things in life. What you choose to dwell on is up to you.
NorBro
Major Contributor
I don't know how you could misread us so badly.
IIRC, DLD's retired and doesn't even work in video production.
And I have been on the cutting edge of technology my entire life, learning, using, and adapting to every gadget out there before most people even knew about it.
Our views aren't pessimistic or negative; they are real possibilities based on how the world works.
You appear to not understand how the world works just based on several things said there.
Peter C.
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I don't keep a dossier on members nor do I want to keep track of each person's situation. I simply respond to what's written. Sounds like there is a clear divide between people who are retired and those who are still working in the industry. It makes sense that we don't understand each other.
NorBro
Major Contributor
There are like 4 people in the conversation.
Nothing to do with retirement. The division comes from opinions about the value of technology and labor, and how it may shape or reshape the future, or may not.
Even if I was working 7 days a week, filming and loving every second of it, my opinion about phones wouldn't change, even if I wouldn't like it.
Nothing to do with retirement. The division comes from opinions about the value of technology and labor, and how it may shape or reshape the future, or may not.
Even if I was working 7 days a week, filming and loving every second of it, my opinion about phones wouldn't change, even if I wouldn't like it.
Technically speaking, a professional video camera may not be a smartphone per se but might only have an outward semblance to it. + WiFi.
I looked up the Light L16 camera earlier today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLcBtDCh-iQ
The product was a failure and nothing similar will likely ever be made. But one could cull the top of the current line sensors (50 MPX from Sony or Samsung), make a similar package, albeit with fewer modules, record multiple streams from various modules and thereby create a multi-camera/multi-focal length/multi auto focus setup in one body. Add IBIS, put it on a gimbal, run it through the stabilization software and run&gun your way to glory.
PS. Abe, neither the government nor Al Gore invented the Internet. And, while Wernher von Braun did create a set of rockets working for a set of governments, there were other costs involved.
I looked up the Light L16 camera earlier today.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLcBtDCh-iQ
The product was a failure and nothing similar will likely ever be made. But one could cull the top of the current line sensors (50 MPX from Sony or Samsung), make a similar package, albeit with fewer modules, record multiple streams from various modules and thereby create a multi-camera/multi-focal length/multi auto focus setup in one body. Add IBIS, put it on a gimbal, run it through the stabilization software and run&gun your way to glory.
PS. Abe, neither the government nor Al Gore invented the Internet. And, while Wernher von Braun did create a set of rockets working for a set of governments, there were other costs involved.
ahalpert
Major Contributor
I think Peter interpreted your predictions of mass unemployment as fear of technological change. But he didn't realize that you're rooting for SkyNet
