Panasonic Removable Lens Four Thirds HD AVCHD Camera

by "fine" i mean itll do for me. I have an hmc and I wont exactly rely on gh1 as my money maker. Its a good companion camera that shoots decent still and video with the flexibilities i want.

referencing pro cams that are twice its price range is just plain petty. get a pro cam if you want high quality or wait for the next revolutionary cam
 
Panasonic claims the Live MOS sensor represents the best of the CCD and CMOS worlds.
Though I didn't read any unambiguous claim that there is no rolling shutter, it seems to be likely that the sensor is free of such distortion.

This is what wikipedia writes about that sensor type:

The Live MOS sensor is a brand name of Image sensor used by Leica, Panasonic and Olympus in their Four Thirds System DSLR manufactured since 2006. (Olympus E-330, Panasonic Lumix DMC-L1 and Leica Digilux 3).
It is possibly researched and developed by Panasonic. It claimed that it can achieve the same quality as CCD while keeping energy consumption down to CMOS levels.

This is a statement from Olympus on the PMA 2006:

Redesigned Sensor Elements with Greater Photosensitive Surface Area
Photosensitive area accounts for 30% of sensor element surface (comparable to CCDs). The Live MOS Sensor takes advantage of the simplified circuit requirements and thinner layer structure of NMOS type sensors to offer a larger photosensitive surface area. In addition, circuit technology refinements were made to boost light utilisation efficiency and improve image quality.

A new transfer mechanism for photodiode signal readout enabled us to reduce the number of circuit paths to two, the same as in a CCD sensor, and thereby minimise the surface area that is unresponsive to light.

hope that helps a bit
 
Sounds like by "CCD" quality Panasonic means that its Live MOS has only the CCD's lower noise, due to the greater surface area of the Live MOS's pixels.

Since Panasonic must know that many users are aware of rolling shutter artifacts, then Panasonic would have certainly called it out if they had solved that problem, too. They didn't. So that means when they say "the best of the CCD world," they are lying, because a chip that combined the best of both worlds would have not only the lower noise but also the global shutter.
 
There are some hints on the web that Live MOS sensors have a global shutter - but nothing clear. Too much chatter and few detalis.
 
Someone else posted a video showing someone shooting with it on youtube, and if you watch the LCD screen you can clearly see skewing going on in the fast pans, so -- I feel pretty confident in saying there's no global shutter in this camera.
 
Yes, in the pans from second 30 to 40 there seems to be skew. Though there are so many factors to consider (perspective distortion of the LCD due to camera movements, interferences between the LCD and the camera that is shooting at it...) all in all it's very jerky. 80% of rolling shutter probability, I would say - just don't want to give up 20% of hope.
 
I am ok with the low datarate but why 24 frames in a 60i stream? This is the only thing I hate about my hv20. Makes me so sad. I use my HV20 for recording mostly web stuff. Youtube HD video. Also some night club performances. I would also like to shoot some profesional photography. This really seems like the slr/camera to replace my HV20. It is like buying a HV20 with a pro camera wrap around it. LOL what a crazy world. Is there away to automatically pull the 24 frames out of the stream? Please let me know. Thanks
 
Nektonic said:
Wow, thanks Barry. This is good to know. I figured that since the 4/3 system was newer that there might not be adapters out. This is huge since many will already have Nikon or Canon lenses. Plus, I have to admit, I wouldn't mind being able to invest in some Nikon lenses yet still be able to use this Panasonic DSLR body for stills and video.

The only major snafu that I can foresee is the rolling shutter jello, which is not the end of the world frankly. The other is the darn 24p imbedded in 60i sillyness. I guess I don't mind as long as there is a quick and painless way to extract the 24p.

I can't wait to see some footage from this thing.
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I beleive you can use Cineforms' "Neo Scene" to convert back to 108024p and edit in Cineforms' codec. There are free solutions out there too.
 
are we convinced that Final Cut won't remove pulldown on import? my Panasonic HDC-SD9 records AVCHD 1080p24 in a 60i stream (I believe, b/c available recording time doesn't increase when I switch from 1080i60 to 1080p24) and after using log & transfer I end up with 23.98p ProRes files. why would another Panasonic product be any different?
 
i dont see it.. if there is, its not d90 bad. really bad footage to check for skewing.

in d90's case, i saw the skewing the first time nikon released a footage of a guy skateboarding and the camera was zoomed out and was panning slowly.
I also saw a handheld jello test footage of d90. bottomline. d90 jello is too much.
 
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Watching that video and having the D90 and hating its video quality I can say it looks great. If that is the "jello" it produces then "hurrah!" It looks promising. We have to wait and see its output. The D90 footage quality really sucks. Its a good camera to do home videos, like the old Super 8 cameras used to be. Not much else. I am sure Panasonic put some effort into making it look as good as they may want. After all they have a legacy and a business reputation to protect.
 
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