64GB P2 Card announcment

that's the point of my switch to the 150. This is Gas company pricing. Even if they use the Panny certified SD cards.. that would be a total price of 300 bucks. so the raid, the enclosure and the technology... plus the printing on the card itsefl... costs 2300 bucks?


It's just not the same world that it was in 06 when the revolutionary device made the cost and the size and all of that yummy. Even the EX1, can be hacked and use cheap SD cards so where's the incentive for someone new to get into the Panny market and buy one of these cards and camera.


Shoot, this card is almost as much as I paid for the 150... and the footage DOESN"T look any different. Side by side, my 150 looks actually a bit better than the HVX and the HVX200a. I don't have a 170 to test, but my hunch would be that it would look just as good!!!


I love the image, love the robustness, but it's like being hijacked to the man. As people have stated, this is crazy money for what we are getting. One hour of 1080, 140 minutes of 720, I can already get that now with the 150 for less than a hundred bucks and these cards are robust.. and if they aren't and only last a year.. in one year you'll be able to get a 16 gig card for around 10 bucks. Right now, they are only 30 bucks...

Well this Huckelberry has already made the switch and I will be going 150 all the way within the next week. There will be a good deal on my HVX so PM me if interested or I'll post it in the marketplace later in the week. CHEERS ALL
 
Hey Guys,

We are posting the 64GB card on our store now. Our price is $2359.

It came as a shock to us with how Panasonic chose to price the cards. I hate speculating but I noticed the model number of the card ends with an "AG" instead of "RG". So I would assume that this would be the "A Series" instead of "R Series". This would also make sense since you have the faster transfer speed. Perhaps there was more development time and dollars spent on this new card, hence the pricing. Either way, we do need to remember back when the 8GB cards came out and they were just a bit less than the 64GB cards are now. Let's keep things in perspective.

The 64GB cards aren't for everyone and Panasonic would be the first to remind us of this. For example, the broadcasters want the smallest cards possible because they only shoot a few minutes of footage and they are done. The Documentary shooters need to go out on "Huba-huba island" somewhere and have nothing but some P2 cards and a toothbrush and that's it. People like that are the ones that may be interested in the 64GB cards. I appreciate the fact that Panasonic has kept the 16GB cards around for that very reason. It's the first time that we have had three cards in the P2 card line that are available all at the same time, catering to the different spectrums of the market.

Andrew Hoffman
Vice President
Specialized Communications Corp.
20940 Twin Springs Dr.
Smithsburg, MD 21783-1510 USA
800-359-1858 (US)
301-790-0103
Fax: 301-790-0173
andrewh@spec-comm.com
www.spec-comm.com

Please visit our new online store at ( http://www.spec-comm.com/store ). New products being added daily!
 
i just sent you a pm justyn. curious about your experience leaving the hvx world behind. i bought my hvx200a earlier this year expecting the 64gb p2 card release to at least bring the overall price of cards down a little bit, but we all know how that went.

i love my hvx and all, but if the image is comparable like you say, i'm really tempted to put p2 in my past. plus i love the waveform monitors in the 150, and i like the focus assist implementation in the 150 waaaaaaay better than the hvx. if the image quality really is that comparable, what do i really lose besides variable frame rates?
 
Sadly, Andrew, I am the EXACT filmmaker you describe as needing the 64GB cards. And at over $2K, I won't buy a single one. I'll gladly keep swapping my collection of 8 and 16GB cards for now.

Spec-Comm said:
Hey Guys,

We are posting the 64GB card on our store now. Our price is $2359.

It came as a shock to us with how Panasonic chose to price the cards. I hate speculating but I noticed the model number of the card ends with an "AG" instead of "RG". So I would assume that this would be the "A Series" instead of "R Series". This would also make sense since you have the faster transfer speed. Perhaps there was more development time and dollars spent on this new card, hence the pricing. Either way, we do need to remember back when the 8GB cards came out and they were just a bit less than the 64GB cards are now. Let's keep things in perspective.

The 64GB cards aren't for everyone and Panasonic would be the first to remind us of this. For example, the broadcasters want the smallest cards possible because they only shoot a few minutes of footage and they are done. The Documentary shooters need to go out on "Huba-huba island" somewhere and have nothing but some P2 cards and a toothbrush and that's it. People like that are the ones that may be interested in the 64GB cards. I appreciate the fact that Panasonic has kept the 16GB cards around for that very reason. It's the first time that we have had three cards in the P2 card line that are available all at the same time, catering to the different spectrums of the market.

Andrew Hoffman
Vice President
Specialized Communications Corp.
20940 Twin Springs Dr.
Smithsburg, MD 21783-1510 USA
800-359-1858 (US)
301-790-0103
Fax: 301-790-0173
andrewh@spec-comm.com
www.spec-comm.com

Please visit our new online store at ( http://www.spec-comm.com/store ). New products being added daily!
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I'm not arguing that the price of P2 cards will fall, they definitely will. I'm just afraid they are not going to fall fast enough, eventually leaving Panasonic in the dust. It seems Panasonic has forgotten they are in a highly competitive industry and they are severely underestimating the impact storage prices have on future sales. At the risk of being balked at, these are the kind of decisions that rapidly diminish a company's market share to the point that consumers don't consider them as modern or viable.
 
shoook said:
I'm not arguing that the price of P2 cards will fall, they definitely will. I'm just afraid they are not going to fall fast enough, eventually leaving Panasonic in the dust. It seems Panasonic has forgotten they are in a highly competitive industry and they are severely underestimating the impact storage prices have on future sales. At the risk of being balked at, these are the kind of decisions that rapidly diminish a company's market share to the point that consumers don't consider them as modern or viable.
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eeeeexactly. i already have my hvx, so i'm kind of in a good place. i can jump ship and pick up something else non p2 immediately such as the 150. or, i can just keep renting cards as needed and see how the scarlet pans out. either way, no way in hell would i pay that much for a card. re-damn-diculous.

and i get that ultimately it's cheaper than film. but i ain't doing that either.
 
This is what the whole marketplace is about. If a company doesn't respond to price pressure, and users follow through by not buying, then prices will either fall, or the company will fail.

64 GB cards are not for everybody. And they are pricey.

One thing that are not are SD cards. Different configuration.

My disappointment isn't with the 64 GB card price. It's that there was no downward pressure on the 16 and 32 GB cards.

They seem to be cheaper to manufacture. But pricing did not adjust.
 
I don´t get it!

I don´t want to start an other endles Firestore vs. P2 dicussion.
But I can not understand why someone would buy a P2 for over 2 grand,
when he can have twice the recording time at half of the price.

In my book the extra effort, handling a FS is minimal.
The little bit of extra convenience the P2 Cards give is not worth the extra $$$ - at least not for me.

As long they don´t come damed close to the price of normal SD cards in the same size, Pany is not going to have my money.

Frank
 
Having used both, the FS is cumbersome, and I felt that the Firewire cabling was a huge issue.

I'd like the idea, but I would have preferred a smaller size, better menuing, and better ergonomics and reliability.

For example, you should have to push only one menu button on the FS to get 720/24pN equivalent, instead of several in different places.
 
There was talk a little while ago of a new device that would compete with the Firestore. Anyone know anything about this? It was a DVCPro recorder, not the nanoflash.
 
singleframe said:
i'm def with most of you all regarding the bloated price of the P2 format. until they come down some, Panny will slowly, but surely, lose a large amount of their customer base.

fair price to me would be:

16gb - 400
32gb - 800
64gb - 1500

maybe some day...........

p.s. i wish you could have seen my girlfriend's face when i told her how much these cards are -- priceless.
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I totally agree... I think that if they went by this pricing Panasonic would definitely be a competitive force... but at current pricing i think they are just asking too much. I was lucky to get the HPX500 package with 4 X 16gb cards included, I'm finding that for most shoots its enough, as long as I'm shooting in 720 24pn, but there are times when I'm out in the field and i have to be dumping to my laptop, i would hate to have a Hard drive fail in the field though, and backing up twice is just not feasible in most situations because of the time it takes. I was so looking forward to getting a couple of 64s but now I'm not sure... I would love to be able to start shooting projects in 1080 24p, and get the most out of my HD camera, when I will be able to do that? I'm not sure!
 
Jay Rodriguez said:
it's disgusting that the SD cards can't be used for the 170... i hate the P2 pricing.....
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SD cards can't be used for ANY camera that records DVCProHD. That's the price that one pays for using an intraframe codec. (AVCHD is a long-GOP codec and as such is much less demanding in regard to amount and speed of storage; on the other hand, I understand it has its own issues when it comes to editing.)
 
I"m about to delve into my first 150 edit so I'll be able to tell ya soon, but we had a complete capture via the intensity card and converted on the fly to DVCPRO so it should be just like the hvx stuff.. and I'll post some examples on the 150 forum.


I just can't see paying these prices when there are other options. You'd almost be better off to get an EX1 and use that hack till things shake-out.
 
It seems like everyone is jumping ship.

Most of us would defend the Panasonic cameras over all else.
It seems as if the shift is going in a direction that the "something else" is looking very good over panasonic.

I too love what the panasonic can do with the subtle things.
These subtle things are mostly the things of enthusiasts.

At the end of day,
Good footage is good, and bad isn't. The layman will not care what frame rate it was,
or color balance used. They only care that it is shot, edited, and over with little excuses.

...All that being said,
With the high prices of P2 cards, the novelty is no longer necessary.
There are other cameras that shoot for less, and don't have to download as often or at all untill it is over.

I just did a paying gig this weekend of a fashion show.
No one knew what they were doing. They did not bring any lighting, and the overheads didn't work for some reason (motorized fresnels). I was not suposed to do anythig buy shoot, and hand over the footage to another guy who was also shoooting and would be editing the piece. The other guy had a canon xl1. There was no parking, and I had to walk about a mile to the event. Knowing that, I just pulled out my smaller canon HF100 palm sized camera and my gitzo lightweight tripod.

Call me lazy..that might be true, but I knew it could shoot better than an XL1.

in any case, my point of this whole thread is that the little palmcorder i brought did get some looks like hey, the audience members sit in the seats, not with the photographers.

I'm too old to care these days especially when the same people want to put the main lights on the second floor balcony to light the models, and they only brought 3 lights total.

..anyway, the low light of the venue, and my shooting on (2) 16 gig sdhc cards, was enough to cary me through the whole event.

I am glad I did not bring the hvx200 and laptop to off load to.


WHen i saw the 1920x180 native footage from a low light situation, I was impressed, and it looked as good or better than the HVX200.

I too may be going to a format where the media is less expensive than P2.

The EX1 may be a bit more expensive, but after you buy P2 cards, to do an event, it is cheaper.

AS for the Canon HF100, it is a great camera for under a grand, and the color is good enough for most event footage that won't ever be projected.

... With P2 at it's current cost, it's starting to not make sense to me.
Sure I already have a few cards, but the more I think about it, I really don't want to be off loading at an event. I want to have enough cards to do the whole day and offlaod at home.
 
Sounds as if Panasonic reps should know about this. Is there a way to inform them, do they read this forum? Maybe if they understand how many people are about to prefer Sony they do something.
 
I have been trying to get the bottom of this for weeks now. I will post something when I have something solid.


David S. said:
And can someone explain this regarding Panasonic RPSDV16GU1K Class 6 High Speed 16GB SD Memory Card for the HMC150?

Why is the list price on this card about $240 at Panasonic's site, and as low as $90.00 elsewhere including bhphotovideo.com?

Same card isn't it?

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...tal_SDHC_.html

http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webapp...el=RPSDV16GU1K
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Green Hornet said:
It seems like everyone is jumping ship... With P2 at it's current cost, it's starting to not make sense to me. Sure I already have a few cards, but the more I think about it, I really don't want to be off loading at an event. I want to have enough cards to do the whole day and offload at home.
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There it is.

We've all been patiently waiting for the day when we could buy a few 32 Gb P2 cards for a reasonable price and get on with the business of shooting a typical day's work in 720pn without having to offload to cumbersome, awkward, time consuming, expensive and vulnerable external devices.

Panasonic- the pn natives are restless.
 
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