Has anyone upgraded the HPX viewfinder?

Although I am thinking seriously of getting the AJ-VF20WB, mainly because of the larger screen and better eyepiece adjustment (old eyes) and the more robust build, I have developed a system which helps with the stock finder.

I shoot documentaries, fast, handheld, and I often need to be secure about focus without constantly zooming in and out to check. What I do is mount the Chrosziel DV follow focus unit. This particular FF has the scale around the outside of the knob, instead of the flat plate (which is only visible from the side of the camera) on other units.

I have two sets of witness rings (the white plastic sleeves that you mark on for following focus). One sleeve I leave blank for those times when I work with an AC. The other sleeve I have marked permanently with a footage scale - either copied from the lens or measured manually with a tape measure.

Because the DV scale is around the outside of the knob, it is visible to me from the viewfinder without moving my eye from the eyepiece. This allows me to guess at distances and set the lens on the fly - with a little practice you can get pretty good at it (good ACs often do it this way on major shoots, and anyone who's ever shot with an old rangefinder camera, like a Leica, knows it's possible).

You may not be able to hit inches accurately, but you can certainly be sure that if someone is about 5 feet away, you will be close enough for the focus to be acceptable. And if you have zoomed in to focus accurately, you can mentally note the setting on the ring and return to it if you move away and come back to the original frame within the same shot. Try it, you'll like it.
 
Nice idea!

I do this on the HVX/HPX170 all of the time, only I am just using the mm/ft. readout on the LCD. It defintiely does get you in the ballpark.

Dan
 
Okay, I got a nice bonus on my just completed documentary and spent some of it on the AJ-VF20WB finder. It is a HUGE improvement over the stock unit, albeit pricey... The image is significantly larger and the CRT is much snappier, so focusing is easier even without peaking. It may not be everyone's cup of tea, because it is expensive, and it is still B&W (although I actually find that I can judge exposure better on the fly with a B&W finder)... It does draw more power, but I can plan for it.

Here's a point that some may have missed, and it isn't covered in any of the poorly documented instruction manuals... After mounting the finder, you need to go into the Display menu and select "Squeeze" for the set-up instead of "Letterbox" - otherwise it isn't an improvement over the stock, it's about the same size and resolution... This may be obvious to some, but the sales person I spoke with certainly didn't know about it - and it's not an intuitive thing to have to do...

As I mentioned above, focusing isn't the biggest issue for me, but it is way better with this - and I sure do like the larger screen for composition. (I make documentaries exclusively, so comments about the virtues of external monitors aren't applicable in my case).
 
AHA!

That might have been my issue, Mac!!!

I tested the new AJ-VF20WB on a demo camera in store, not MINE (which, incidentally, is set to SQUEEZE and perhaps the demo one was set to letterbox).

Perhaps that is why I saw very little difference...
 
yeah, when i first put the vf20 on my 500, the image was only in the center of the viewfinder, once you change the squeeze option it almost doubles in size.
 
I bought at B&H, mainly because they had one (and only one) in stock and I needed it like NOW for a shoot... Ordinarily I buy everything at Able Cine or ZGC...

By the way, one nice unexpected feature of this finder is that it has a small red tally light on the back near the mounting bracket. I don't use tallys usually, but this one has advantages... It is on/off switchable seperatly from the front one.

I often shoot covertly (especially around cops or bikers) and this lets me know I'm recording without putting my eye to the finder... Also, when shooting fast, I sometimes get out of "phase", recording when I think I'm not, and vice versa - (I'm sure everyone has some extraneous footage of their feet walking through an abandoned building) - with this light I'm more likely to avoid that pitfall.
 
I will be having mine delivered this afternoon, so I will be keen to test (this time with Squeeze ON) and I will let you know the outcome. Hopefully it will not be a waste of $3000!
 
Ok, got my upgraded vf from Panasonic today and, in my honest opinion, is that it is only "marginally" better than the original. In fact, I would have to say going between the two does not show an improvement to warrant a $3000 purchase.

Yes, the image appears bigger and so forth, but that's it. It is certainly not much "sharper".

I still think it appears that there is not enough peaking control, because you don't get a good definite "edge" around any object for focusing with. All the peaking control seems to do is make the image from the vf tube more "in focus" if you know what I mean. No lines around the items in focus. My friends 900 series DVCPRO camera has an earlier build of this same model vf and when I use his camera, the amount of peaking is almost too much. I found myself turning it down a bit. But not on this camera. You could focus using peaking lines around objects with his camera.

Yes, I have the squeeze function "on" (the "squ" display is in the vf).

Am I missing something? Could this be a dud vf? Is the output from the camera limiting the sharpness in the vf?

I don't WANT to be a winger, but at this point I am disappointed.
 
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David: No, it isn't magically sharper, it's still an SD finder... I'm sure eventually there will be an "affordable" HD finder, but not for the 500 (unless you do the modification mentioned earlier in this thread, which I would love to hear about if you do)...

I find it easier to focus because of the larger image and the fact that the CRT is naturally more contrast-happy than the little LCDs... Admittedly, at first I wasn't blown away, but after a day of shooting with my nearly 65 year old eyes I found that it was naturally easier to work with...

Sure, I wish there was something better - but I'm not willing to wait until my camera is obsolete and my eyes are gone - for now it's an improvement - like I said above, a pricey one - but an improvement.
 
Ughh, this is beginning to sour me a bit on the HPX500. I really like almost everything about it except for the lacking VF.

Dan
 
Ok.

So. The conundrum - as I see it - is this:

My comrade has an old 910 DVCPRO50 camera with the very same vf on it (the AJ-VF20WBE).

Why, oh why, do the pictures in his viewfinder, then, look brighter, sharper and with much more peaking detail around the edges than with the very same model vf on my camera?

I feel there are other factors at work here, not just the quality of the vf.

I am of the opinion that the quality of the signal coming from the camera into the vf is poor, hence, no matter what vf you put on it, the images will still be very soft for a pro camera.

But that is just my opinion.

Perhaps a techno person from Panasonic could answer this for us so we can stop wasting time and money trying to fix a problem that essentially can't be fixed.

The images on low-end Sony XDCAM cameras with similarly-specced vf's on them look much sharper than this.
 
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I got my viewfinder today and have to say for me it was worth the money. Much easier to focus with and the larger image is a pleasant change. For me I wish I had made the switch sooner.
 
Yeah, I've been working with it for a few weeks and it is much better...

The only issue I have with it is that when you change the output to "squeeze" it changes both the finder and the LCD.. There is apparently no way to change them independently... I don't use the LCD that often, but when I do it's disconcerting to see a different aspect ration than the finder...
 
Yeah, I've been working with it for a few weeks and it is much better...

The only issue I have with it is that when you change the output to "squeeze" it changes both the finder and the LCD.. There is apparently no way to change them independently... I don't use the LCD that often, but when I do it's disconcerting to see a different aspect ration than the finder...
What do you mean?

I thought the "Squeeze" function was to put the camera into 16:9 Widescreen mode....wouldn't you want to monitor on both the LCD and VF in the format you're shooting in? I know I would!

Or have I missed something here?
 
The LCD is 4x3 so turning the squeeze function to get the VF working makes the LCD image squished. Don't know why the VF and LCD are tied together like that but they are.

What do you mean?

I thought the "Squeeze" function was to put the camera into 16:9 Widescreen mode....wouldn't you want to monitor on both the LCD and VF in the format you're shooting in? I know I would!

Or have I missed something here?
 
...but then you can then go into the menu and change the LCD to 4:3 if you want it that way and leave the vf in 16:9.

Why would you want the LCD 4:3 if you are shooting in 16:9?
 
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