Vincent Laforet Canon D5 MKII Film

[utako.o]

the budget was way over what they say it was

you don't advertise a 2600 camera with a 10k budget.
you pay at least 100k for that

if you follow strobist.blogspot.com, you see what miracles the pro's pull off with just one or two well placed strobe.. i don't have any doubts that no more than one or two small lights were used in each scene.

he did have more than 50K worth of lenses in his arsenal but i'm convinced the cost of the video was what they said it was.

 

[The Sarlacc]

the budget was way over what they say it was

you don't advertise a 2600 camera with a 10k budget.
you pay at least 100k for that

:huh:

Again...there was nothing in that little short that screamed we spent a lot of money on this.

100k....phhht hahah come on...

5k sounds right because of the chopper ride.

 

[f64manray]

the budget was way over what they say it was

you don't advertise a 2600 camera with a 10k budget.
you pay at least 100k for that

Dude, Vincent said he shot it for five grand. He told Canon he was going to do a short film, and they told him don't expect anything back from them and he has no commitment from Canon to be compensated. I'm sure five grand is just mad money for him anyway. After seeing the results, Canon would have to be total dicks not to write him a check in appreciation. Canon wouldn't even cut him any slack about how long he could use the camera. I think he only had it for 2 days before he had to give it back. the only reason he was able to handle it at all is because he is part of the "Explorers of Light" program.

 

[logic108]

Also he is not a filmmaker or videographer. This was his FIRST movie. Which I think is great. It's better than great. It's stupendous!

 

[Arrik]

Yeah, it depends on the content as well imo.

I just played it for my roommate who doesnt know squat about film. He couldnt tell that there was anything "not filmic" about it even though I told him in advanced to look for it. Afterwards, I explained cadence and persistence of vision and all that boring stuff. Then I showed him a film sequence in 24p and then went back and replayed Vincent's piece so he can see the difference.

He says he prefers the motion of 30p. I asked him would he watch a movie that looks like that. He said he would.

But hes a friggin' moron. I still want 24p!!!

 

[frisco]

Put it this way......

If it dosn't work in 30P............ There is nothing about 24P thats gonna make it any better.

Allot of people on this forum try and hide bad film making behind 24fps and 35mm lens adapters.

frisco

Yeah, it depends on the content as well imo.

I just played it for my roommate who doesnt know squat about film. He couldnt tell that there was anything "not filmic" about it even though I told him in advanced to look for it. Afterwards, I explained cadence and persistence of vision and all that boring stuff. Then I showed him a film sequence in 24p and then went back and replayed Vincent's piece so he can see the difference.

He says he prefers the motion of 30p. I asked him would he watch a movie that looks like that. He said he would.

But hes a friggin' moron. I still want 24p!!!

But honestly, like me, I think he was captivated by all the mojo packed into the short. I honestly think if there were two versions of this (one in 24 and other in 30) that he would think differently.

 

[ozan]

the budget was way over what they say it was

you don't advertise a 2600 camera with a 10k budget.
you pay at least 100k for that

wow, footage quality looks dope.

Its under 10k... most definitely

For a 100k i would honestly expect something better of a product demo video. Not to be harsh.. but, it slightly looks like a last minute / cheap run and gun demo video. Kinda like a 24hr film festival vid but with a heli ride.

To bad about the 30p.... but who cares about this 24p or 30p bizness. Its about the content thats in front of the lens and the talented hands behind camera. If the shi* looks good then the frame rate is the last thing u peeps should stress about.

Cant wait for the future! go canon go!

 

[f64manray]

Yeah, it depends on the content as well imo.

Yep, that's what I'm thinking. I saw a chick do some fascinating things with a Mountain Dew bottle in a video once, and I didn't even notice it wasn't in 24p. I rest my case. Content is everything.

 

[Kholi]

Put it this way......

If it dosn't work in 30P............ There is nothing about 24P thats gonna make it any better.

Allot of people on this forum try and hide bad film making behind 24fps and 35mm lens adapters.

frisco

To be honest, you're insulting the entire forum. Sure, if it doesn't work in 30p to a degree then it probably won't work at 24p.

That makes no hide nor hair to a community that's embraced film-like cadence and pretty much been born of it.

Do you shoot narrative content? If so, I would HIGHLY doubt that you've SHUNNED 24p by any means, especially considering what forum you're a part of.

 

[Oedipax]

It's ironic that people are arguing 24p isn't such a big deal on a forum named after a camera that totally revolutionized the prosumer market with precisely that feature!

I mean, if people want to go make their 30p masterpiece, more power to 'em. But understand many of us prefer to work at 24 frames a second and want a camera that can deliver that.

However, I just fiddled around with the Reverie footage in After Effects (using Twixtor to convert it to 24p) and the results are pretty damn good. I'd have to do some more testing to see if it throws off sync sound, but for doing web stuff at 24p, it just might work. Of course, it's a huge workflow drag to have to do conversions on every bit of footage, but for certain things, maybe. Very interesting...

I'm still saving my money for Scarlet though! And I'm still shooting on other cameras in the meantime, so no snide remarks will be necessary, ahem.

 

[ozan]

It's ironic that people are arguing 24p isn't such a big deal on a forum named after a camera that totally revolutionized the prosumer market with precisely that feature!

I mean, if people want to go make their 30p masterpiece, more power to 'em. But understand many of us prefer to work at 24 frames a second and want a camera that can deliver that.

However, I just fiddled around with the Reverie footage in After Effects (using Twixtor to convert it to 24p) and the results are pretty damn good. I'd have to do some more testing to see if it throws off sync sound, but for doing web stuff at 24p, it just might work. Of course, it's a huge workflow drag to have to do conversions on every bit of footage, but for certain things, maybe. Very interesting...

I'm still saving my money for Scarlet though! And I'm still shooting on other cameras in the meantime, so no snide remarks will be necessary, ahem.

i jst did the same in AE/twixtor like 2 seconds ago. I also gave cineform a try converting 30p to 24p with the raw footage from that DP site... However it slowed the footage by 20% but still playing @ 24p. Looked awesome though! Until scarlet comes out... Helllo pre-order!

 

[Oedipax]

Also, looking frame by frame at the over-the-shoulder shot of the guy driving at 1:01, you can see some rolling shutter artifacts. It's still miles better than the D90's jello effect from what I can tell. Holds up really well when there are some bumps on the car rig shots and the shaky handheld stuff from the helicopter.

 

[Kholi]

i jst did the same in AE/twixtor like 2 seconds ago. I also gave cineform a try converting 30p to 24p with the raw footage from that DP site... However it slowed the footage by 20% but still playing @ 24p. Looked awesome though! Until scarlet comes out... Helllo pre-order!

I don't think you'll ever be able to get proper sound like this. However, I think you can check over in the other thread about going from 30p to 60p then back to 24p.

 

[Kholi]

I just did a quick test this way: 30p > 60p Export in Quicktime Pro then 60p > 24p Export in Quicktime pro.

=T I don't know how willing I would be to do the work around but it looks pretty much right by me, man.

 

[kevm14]

It doesn't feel like a movie at all. Show anyone in your family if it looks like a movie or just really nice looking video. Everything else is decent, Esteb pointed out the same things I saw.

There's just no way around it, for most of us here 24p is a necessity more-so now with this camera than before, thanks to that footage.

I actually found it fairly bizarre to have such thin DOF yet oddly smooth motion.

 

[Bebel]

Yeah, it depends on the content as well imo.

I just played it for my roommate who doesnt know squat about film. He couldnt tell that there was anything "not filmic" about it even though I told him in advanced to look for it. Afterwards, I explained cadence and persistence of vision and all that boring stuff. Then I showed him a film sequence in 24p and then went back and replayed Vincent's piece so he can see the difference.

He says he prefers the motion of 30p. I asked him would he watch a movie that looks like that. He said he would.

But hes a friggin' moron. I still want 24p!!!

really enjoyed this episode :laugh:

 

[Bebel]

i jst did the same in AE/twixtor like 2 seconds ago. I also gave cineform a try converting 30p to 24p with the raw footage from that DP site... However it slowed the footage by 20% but still playing @ 24p. Looked awesome though! Until scarlet comes out... Helllo pre-order!

sounds promising!

what do ya recommend for dummies, cineform or twixtor?

what's the workflow in simple steps? cos have no clue about conversion..

thanx if you have the time

 

[rawfa]

Yeah, it depends on the content as well imo.

I just played it for my roommate who doesnt know squat about film. He couldnt tell that there was anything "not filmic" about it even though I told him in advanced to look for it. Afterwards, I explained cadence and persistence of vision and all that boring stuff. Then I showed him a film sequence in 24p and then went back and replayed Vincent's piece so he can see the difference.

He says he prefers the motion of 30p. I asked him would he watch a movie that looks like that. He said he would.

But hes a friggin' moron. I still want 24p!!!

Hahaha. "Much obliged for your assistance...you friggin' moron" . Maybe your friend is into soap opras

I do the same thing with my girlfriend (except for the moron thing). I think she'll divorce me if she hears "Does this look like film to you?" one more time.

 

[John Caballero]

It keeps getting more hilarious. I am telling you, 90 percent of the viewing public should be categorized as "morons" really, because they would not give a damn between the difference of 24 FPS and 30 FPS. Even if you try to explain it to them they would not care. They just want to see a nice clean image and most importantly a good story to follow. Shoot a piece of crap in the most expensive film camera you can get your hands on and people won't watch it for more than a few minutes.
It is so cool to tell your peers you are shooting 24P and feel that you belong but the general public doesn't really care.

 

[ando]

who noticed the fake dof in the first moments?

it's either lensbaby or post blur