John Caballero
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You got it!
LOL! Sure.
Vincent Laforet Canon D5 MKII Film
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You got it!
LOL! Sure.
The documentary style only worked for Mann because of the high realism of those movies.
And they didn't look as smooth as Reverie. They were smeary but 24p vs. 30p apparently does make a visible difference of its own.
John Caballero
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I should have added "only worked FOR ME" because you have made it clear by now that you wouldn't mind The Lord of the Rings look like Collateral.
John Caballero
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Well the truth is I really don't care because I am not buying this Canon. I bought the D90 and concluded that is great for my photography work and cool as an experimental movie camera. I will wait 'till next year and see what Scarlet is going to offer and what other manufacturers come out with. In the meantime I will keep using my HVX 200.
1. The colors were the best I've seen for low light footage. Really game changing.
2. This did not look like a soap opera!
3. This side of the pond in europe will probably not see the Scarlett until at least 2010 if ever - they may change the specs again and by the way how many Red Ones are they producing? Are they able to satisfy demand?
4. 30P suits me fine but it's there in the 5D because it's seen as a reportage feature.
5. The new 5D is a 21MP full-frame slr - superb.
I always said I was going to get a D90 if Canon didn't put video into the new 5D. It seems obvious to me that the 30P from the Canon is much better in IQ than 24P from the Nikon. I think 30P is not without artistic merit. I can imagine someone like Mike Figgis getting excited by this. And very very obviously it's all in the story.
2. This did not look like a soap opera!
3. This side of the pond in europe will probably not see the Scarlett until at least 2010 if ever - they may change the specs again and by the way how many Red Ones are they producing? Are they able to satisfy demand?
4. 30P suits me fine but it's there in the 5D because it's seen as a reportage feature.
5. The new 5D is a 21MP full-frame slr - superb.
I always said I was going to get a D90 if Canon didn't put video into the new 5D. It seems obvious to me that the 30P from the Canon is much better in IQ than 24P from the Nikon. I think 30P is not without artistic merit. I can imagine someone like Mike Figgis getting excited by this. And very very obviously it's all in the story.
Kholi you are wrong about this. The reason you are wrong is that the color fidelity on the 5D is so stunningly good that it changes the whole feel of the movie. The lush blues and purples in one scene where the main character is lying on the sofa are absolutely superb and do not give of the feel of a VHS cam at all. Also look at the shot of the guy in the helicopter. The reflection of the nighttime cityscape in his glasses made the film look 'hyperreal' rather than boring 30P VHS style.
So there is more to the feel of a movie than frame-rates - color fidelity is one very key aspect. The deeper and more lush the colors and textures then the more 'movie-like' it feels.
So there is more to the feel of a movie than frame-rates - color fidelity is one very key aspect. The deeper and more lush the colors and textures then the more 'movie-like' it feels.
Other 5D2 testers have said by putting the 5D2 30P footage into a 24P timeline, the footage look a little bit more filmic.
Which makes me wonder, how is the 30P achieve on the old EZ30U camcorders? Those looked pretty good to me. The 5D2 footage is much much more smoother than the EZ30U 30P footage. Can we in anyway process the 5D2 footage to resemble the Panasonic EZ30U footage?
Which makes me wonder, how is the 30P achieve on the old EZ30U camcorders? Those looked pretty good to me. The 5D2 footage is much much more smoother than the EZ30U 30P footage. Can we in anyway process the 5D2 footage to resemble the Panasonic EZ30U footage?
It doesn't feel like a movie at all. Show anyone in your family if it looks like a movie or just really nice looking video. Everything else is decent, Esteb pointed out the same things I saw.
There's just no way around it, for most of us here 24p is a necessity more-so now with this camera than before, thanks to that footage.
here is an interesting thread (dissecting the video) started by a guy equally talented in the photo world as Vince
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=349231
http://www.modelmayhem.com/po.php?thread_id=349231
No doubt there will be 24P added to a Canon DSLR at some point in the future just as 1080P will be added to Nikon's line-up. Until that time Shake is your friend when it comes to changing frame-rates. But again it's the depth and fidelity of colors that's important and the lack of which has always been a source of frustration to me in the past.
behind the scenes video is up:
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/
these are very exciting times - to be someone who focuses on “creating” as opposed to the “process” and “technique” of making your vision match the “reality” of the tools you have at your disposal.
Vincent, you are so right!
http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/
these are very exciting times - to be someone who focuses on “creating” as opposed to the “process” and “technique” of making your vision match the “reality” of the tools you have at your disposal.
Vincent, you are so right!
John Caballero
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The truth is that unless somebody in most of the families of the world is a professional movie maker most people won't even notice the difference between 24p and 30p even if you tried to explain it to them. Give it a try and see what happens. That is a fact, most of the viewing public have no idea and many won't care. Tell the millions and millions of people that watch soap operas to stop doing it because they are not shot 24p and they would just laugh at you.
No kidding. What you've mentioned is what has kept me away from video for so long. It's the lighting and color saturation and contrast that draw me into an image and it's finally here. The D5 MKII will get me by for quite awhile (video wise) while it also serves as my main still camera professionally. I'm buying this, and then I'll just watch from the sidelines at the D-Film wars. The next two years are going to be incredible in what it will yield in digital cinema equipment.
The world is different after today. I guarrandamntee that what I produce from this camera won't be mistaken for a "Soap Opera". I'm all for 24p but it's just a sliver of the equation after my lowlight, depth of field, color, saturation, and contrast needs have been met. ....and of course CONTENT!
I'll say filmmakers are overrated.. most of them anyways..
The Sarlacc
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Yes...and no...
I finally watched this little short film tonight and while its sharp and HD, etc etc etc...its video..the 30fps just gives it that ultra "I am the best looking video I can be but I am still video."
I showed it to others who are still photo hobbyists and not video/film people by any stretch. Even they were able to notice "something" was off, movement didn't look natural. They may not have known that it was the framerate until I explained it to them, but they knew.
People don't watch soaps because of how they look (terrible) soaps are still shot on old school standard def pedestal cameras running back to a video engineer station that looks like it was forgotten in time.
Hell, they even run under a different camera union. I did special effects for one and the company forced them to go HD for it...(30p) and all the cameramen bitched and moaned about change
The most hilarity ensued with the old vid tech who was clueless, but stubborn.
Anyway...soaps are a league of their own (thank god) and are just good reference for how NOT to make your projects look.