HMC150 questions answered...

Sure, I can see that; I wouldn't render down to AVC-HD though for intermediate renders, so that's why I didn't catch what you meant there.
 
Thanks to all who post here

Thanks to all who post here

I found this forum due to all of the activity regarding the HMC150 and just wanted to say thank you to all the fine folks that offer their time, expertise and opinions here; it really helps the newbie like me.
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OK, apologies if i missed these in the 180+ pages of the two HMC threads--I looked, I really did :)--

1. Any standard-def recording modes? And, if so, any estimate of how much video will go on a card?

2. Any idea how the maximum zoom on this will compare to the max zoom on the DVX100? The fact that it's 13X vs. 10X obviously suggests that it will zoom in tighter, but I ask because I've seen it said that the HMC150 starts out wider, so I'm wondering if that cancels out the advantage.
 
Captain Pierce said:
1. Any standard-def recording modes? And, if so, any estimate of how much video will go on a card?
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No standard-def on the HMC150 at all. You'd have to do any standard-def conversion in post. It can, however, output downconverted standard-def over its HDMI, component, and composite video outputs, so you could capture standard-def from its high-def playback if you had an HDMI, component, or composite capture card.

2. Any idea how the maximum zoom on this will compare to the max zoom on the DVX100? The fact that it's 13X vs. 10X obviously suggests that it will zoom in tighter, but I ask because I've seen it said that the HMC150 starts out wider, so I'm wondering if that cancels out the advantage.
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Didn't test that side-by-side, but I think they'll end up about the same. You're talking about 51mm on the HMC150 at maximum zoom, vs. 45mm on a DVX100. But the HMC150 has a slightly larger chip, so a slightly wider field of view. So my guess is that the telephoto will be about the same, but the wide angle will be enormously better on the HMC150 (due to several factors, including it being 3.9mm vs. 4.5mm, it being 16:9 vs. 4:3, and it having a larger chip vs. a smaller chip).
 
Barry_Green said:
No standard-def on the HMC150 at all. You'd have to do any standard-def conversion in post. It can, however, output downconverted standard-def over its HDMI, component, and composite video outputs, so you could capture standard-def from its high-def playback if you had an HDMI, component, or composite capture card.
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Hey Barry,

So you are saying that if I got an inensity for my Mac, I could capture SD right into say FCP (even though your not a FCP guy :-)). That's cool. The files would be smaller and I can then back up the cards on Drives or Disc's.

I am working on a wedding that someone else shot in AVCHD. It was like 2GB of footage in it's native format then after I converted it to PROREZ it was 25GB. That's insane. It was about 40 minutes of footage.

Say from a HVX200, how much space would 1 hour of HD footage take up.

Thanks again for all your insight..

Rockin...

b.p.
 
so barry, is this the cheapest hd camera out there now.. as far as sd card and capture fcp (whatever software you are using) without a hd capture card
 
impressive creations said:
. . . Say from a HVX200, how much space would 1 hour of HD footage take up. Thanks again for all your insight.. Rockin... b.p.
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Hey there Rockin b.p., we were pumping a lot of HVX HD and it was basically this . . about 16 gbs for 17 mins in full HD DVXProHD100 and rendered out we were getting in the neighborhood of about 6 to 1 with some effects/transitions, titles, etc. Just for shoot rules we figured a gig a minute. Nice term really.

However, if one were to set the camera for 720@24pN (native) which was the picture was the best 720 we could get (1080 is the best image out of the camera in our opinion) and now the 16gb card jumped to a whopping 42 mins and if you have two of them in there (in the camera) you get 85mins record time . . nice !! :o)

Now if you have Avid, not all the Avid's read the 720p@24pN. Wouldn't ya know I shot about 3 hours of video in that mode before finding out that the 24pN wasn't supported? Oh well, just didn't do that again. Used Edius Broadcast which loved the format and kept the 24p workin too.

BTW, if you can render with a different codec other than native the file size drops accordingly.

Hope that helps.
 
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shrigg said:
For 1.5 hours:
ProRes 422 1920x1080 = 93gb
ProRes 422 1280x720 = 47gb

I believe that is what Log and Transfer uses to transcode HMC150 footage

The 176 gb for 20gb figure sounds like ProRes 422 HQ 1920x1080 which is arguably overkill for this camera
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Thanks for the info!

This process won't result in any loss of image quality or resolution of any sort will it?
 
impressive creations said:
So you are saying that if I got an inensity for my Mac, I could capture SD right into say FCP (even though your not a FCP guy :-)).
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I think so, but a) I haven't tried it, and b) I'm not 100% sure the Intensity even supports SD, but assuming it does, then yes that should work.

I am working on a wedding that someone else shot in AVCHD. It was like 2GB of footage in it's native format then after I converted it to PROREZ it was 25GB. That's insane.
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Yeah, I'm not feelin' the whole "grow your files by 10x" workflow. I'd rather cut native if possible. It depends on your computer and the implementation of how it handles the AVC-HD and how it spreads it across multiple cores, but I've seen surprising performance on modern hardware, even from the native footage.

Say from a HVX200, how much space would 1 hour of HD footage take up.
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About 22 GB of 720/24pN, or 55GB of 1080.
 
yia said:
so barry, is this the cheapest hd camera out there now.. as far as sd card and capture fcp (whatever software you are using) without a hd capture card
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No, there are many other cameras that record high-def footage direct to SD cards.

This is just the first professional model. All the others are consumer cams (or grounded in consumer cams; the HMC70 is sold as a professional model but it's basically an HSC1U shoved into a shoulder-mount body, no manual focus ring etc.)
 
Barry_Green said:
the HMC70 is sold as a professional model but it's basically an HSC1U shoved into a shoulder-mount body, no manual focus ring etc.)
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Still shaking my head about that one.... But I will say that they it loooks Panasonic really delivered the goods on the HMC150, redefining AVCHD as a viable format that had already been dismissed by many pros as consumer-level
 
David S. said:
HMC150 + native AVCHD editing = Priceless.
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So, following that logic: if TIME = MONEY we will be waiting for this forever? :Drogar-Love(DBG):

Come on Apple!!!!!

It remains to be seen if the HMC will be asked for like the HVX200. I think it should but CLIENT perceptions of AVCHD vs. P2 is still unclear.
One look through craigslist and you can find many HVX gigs that say "do not call if you have any other camera"
 
Shipping date

Shipping date

I have a shipping date of next week straight from my rep, here is what he told me today (Friday Sept 19):

"I spoke at length with my Panasonic Rep and he expressed his sincere apologies on the delay.
The manufacturing facility BLEW their promised delivery date..
BUT...he has ensured me that we will see our stock next week.

I really wish I could provide you a better answer than that however I only can go off the information they provide me."

Hope this is helpful to everyone!

-Shrigg
 
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