5DII DOES 1080P footage!!!!!!

Since this is a video forum, all of our discussions are valid. There is no other topic to get back on. We are ON the topic.
 
The Sarlacc said:
I do work in Hollywood. I do big budget, TV, commercials, etc.

I also still stick to my roots and do plenty of low/no/micro budget. Having had to shoot a short on a HV20 with a Brevis and Nikkor lenses is bad enough...To have to use a DSLR would be ungodly. WHat I am saying is I don't think its the right tool for the job at all.

I think still the top end DSLRs are great for shooting timelapse footage.

I think they are great for shooting still background plates for sfx.

I think its great for stop motion animation.

I don't think they are great to make a short film on.

Yeah, people have visions and want to create, or make a film, or play like they are a movie maker. great.

But if you're serious about really trying to make something, then do it right. Plenty of people with less/no money manage to do it everyday. And I think a DSLR is just asking for more time and trouble in the long run than its really worth.
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Hmm. My lack-of-budget/student mentality tells me to get the job done, even when the right equipment for the job is a distant dream away. SLRs will obviously never replace conventional equipment, but it makes it easier for the little guy (the rest of us) to practice and get our underbudget, no-reward passions on the web.

I think tools like the future 5D MKIII that will shoot 2-120fps at 50Mb/s XDCam codec with HD-SDI out and 2x phantom XLRs will certainly aid the little guy (the rest of us) in finishing a piece of semi-quality work, but will certainly never replace equipment made for the job.

All I'm saying is that we aren't there, and shouldn't expect to be there until the market for such a product is realized.
 
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Have you guys posted a link to the

Discussion about SKEW with the 5D? I've been combing and I can't seem to find a single report...


Link anyone?

The samples look great but of course they are tripod-rigged. They solved all the alias-jaggy problems obviously. A bit edgy for my taste.. but that may be the result of a macho setting.
 
The nayseyers will keep naysaying. We all know were the trend is going. Those that don't want to see don't understand the future. It happened before so don't be surprised when it happens again. A 4k DSLR, camera shooting raw, beautiful DOF, interchangeable lens? Thats a no brainer for the person with vision. And who in their right mind care about how beautiful or not a camera looks on a dolly for God's sake? It is all about the final product. And in case people don't really understand the changes going on, many of today's duties will be gone. Focus pullers by example better be retraining for a more creative position.
Get used naysayers, things will be changing, there is no doubt about it.
 
John Caballero said:
The nayseyers will keep naysaying. We all know were the trend is going. Those that don't want to see don't understand the future. It happened before so don't be surprised when it happens again. A 4k DSLR, camera shooting raw, beautiful DOF, interchangeable lens? Thats a no brainer for the person with vision. And who in their right mind care about how beautiful or not a camera looks on a dolly for God's sake? It is all about the final product. And in case people don't really understand the changes going on, many of today's duties will be gone. Focus pullers by example better be retraining for a more creative position.
Get used naysayers, things will be changing, there is no doubt about it.
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It has nothing to do with a camera looking good. It has to do with functionality.

Sure, the final product is everything...but sometimes not worth getting to, or you never even get to it all, if tools provided don't really serve the function of the getting to the end product.

You might want to actually get on a real film set and see exactly what it is a focus puller does before you start trying to say their position will be gone.

Pretty easy to tell you are 1) only reading what you want out of my posts to effect of almost trying to put words in my mouth. 2) You are as amateur as they come. The "creative dreamer" who lives in magical land and wants his amazing and unique (coughcoughcough) vision on screen seems to forget or not realize its the technical people who make that happen. And when they are handed tools not really made for what they are doing, well, then you lose out, too.

Perhaps you should post when you have actually achieved something? Because until then, I am going to continue making a nice living as a naysayer.
 
And there is no "trend"

DSLR makers added video to their higher end cameras in a play to try and gain more sales to otherwise would be P&S shooters.

The last thing they thought when they added the functionality was...man I can't wait to see a film shot with our DSLR...
 
The Sarlacc said:
I do work in Hollywood. I do big budget, TV, commercials, etc.
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Perhaps you should post when you have actually achieved something? Because until then, I am going to continue making a nice living as a naysayer.
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You may not have realized this yet, but video enabled DSLRs are not targeted towards people like you who can work with high end equipment day in day out.
 
Chris_TC said:
You may not have realized this yet, but video enabled DSLRs are not targeted towards people like you who can work with high end equipment day in day out.
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You may not realize this but when I posted that I still work no/lo budget as well it means I DONT have access to high end equipment all day.

And with that said, I still wouldnt choose to shoot something with a DSLR.
 
Chris_TC said:
You may not have realized this yet, but video enabled DSLRs are not targeted towards people like you who can work with high end equipment day in day out.
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Good point! I can see using this even on some "semi-pro" shoots though. If I'm videotaping an event, lots of interviews, or anything that can't be staged then I'll use a regular HD or DV camera. If however, you are doing something like a short form commercial or lower budget music video or corporate product shot type thing, then a DSLR with nice glass and nice DOF would be just the ticket to really make your piece look more expensive than it is.

Would I want to shoot 10 interviews using this thing? No.
Shoot exterior shots or b-roll to go along with the intervews? yes!
 
Pretty easy to tell you are 1) only reading what you want out of my posts to effect of almost trying to put words in my mouth. 2) You are as amateur as they come. The "creative dreamer" who lives in magical land and wants his amazing and unique (coughcoughcough) vision on screen seems to forget or not realize its the technical people who make that happen. And when they are handed tools not really made for what they are doing, well, then you lose out, too.

Perhaps you should post when you have actually achieved something? Because until then, I am going to continue making a nice living as a naysayer.
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Ahaaa...35 years in the wonderful world of dream making with beautiful images, my Hollywood friend. I remember many years ago when a friend of mine told me "Hollywood says it is impossible for anybody but us to make movies." Then he told me "thats because they don't want you to get in in their business." Then independent movies started flourishing.
Everyday we are seeing so many changes in the industry allowing more and more people with talent to shine thru with the new technology that is becoming available. We are in changing times when big empires are beginning to crumble. Who would have thought a giant like like Lehman Bros. would be brought down to its knees and killed. As less expensive cameras with high quality output begin making its mark it will be a whole different story out there.
 
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John Caballero said:
Ahaaa...35 years in the wonderful world of dream making with beautiful images, my Hollywood friend. I remember many years ago when a friend of mine told me "Hollywood says it is impossible for anybody but us to make movies." Then he told me "thats because they don't want you to get in in their business." Then independent movies started flourishing.
Everyday we are seeing so many changes in the industry allowing more and more people with talent to shine thru with the new technology that is becoming available. We are in changing times when big empires are beginning to crumble. Who would have thought a giant like like Lehman Bros. would we brought down to its knees and killed. As less expensive cameras with high quality output begin making its mark it will be a whole different story out there.
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Assuming they even MAKE the DSLR to compete with the pro video line. And they aren't. Not yet and hopefully not ever.

And out of all these little movies that get made by these people, myself included, even go on to become anything? what percent? because i'll bet its only like 1-2% even though there is more independent cinema being made, doesn't mean its going anywhere or doing anything. And of those 1-2% that made it somewhere...how many of them were connected enough they already had a foot in the door vs. total newcomers with NO experience/connections/opportunities. The statistic drops even more.

Studios were crushed in the 70s by indie filmmaking only to reclaim their place. It happened again when a movie called Pulp Fiction popped up out of nowhere. And again the Studios came back to all the little indie distro companies. Its not a whole different story, its history repeating again and again.
 
The Sarlacc said:
Studios were crushed in the 70s by indie filmmaking only to reclaim their place. It happened again when a movie called Pulp Fiction popped up out of nowhere. And again the Studios came back to all the little indie distro companies. Its not a whole different story, its history repeating again and again.
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Studios were never crushed, ever. Occasionally they had a bit more competition, which they quickly absorbed. Most of the classics of 70's cinema were made by the studios so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.
 
Batutta said:
Studios were never crushed, ever. Occasionally they had a bit more competition, which they quickly absorbed. Most of the classics of 70's cinema were made by the studios so I'm not sure what you're talking about there.
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Its called the fall of Old Hollywood where the studios were very much rivaled by all the indie filmmakers. It was more late 60's (1969) to 1980. After Easy Rider all the young indie talent became in high demand, and many of them were anti-studio. Yes, the studios were still around, but many went outside their realm as much as possible. The studios came back to full power, and the industry again changed incorporating what came of the indie era.
 
And out of all these little movies that get made by these people, myself included, even go on to become anything? what percent? because i'll bet its only like 1-2% even though there is more independent cinema being made, doesn't mean its going anywhere or doing anything. And of those 1-2% that made it somewhere...how many of them were connected enough they already had a foot in the door vs. total newcomers with NO experience/connections/opportunities. The statistic drops even more.
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Oh. Oh. How can you come in this forum with statements like that for Gods sake! This forum is full of hard working individuals trying everyday to showcase their talent and make a career out of it. How dare you diminish their efforts and imply that it will be impossible for any of them to succeed in the pursuit of their dreams with their "little movies" unless they are "connected". That is why empires will keep crumbling as time goes by. Like it or not technology like these new DSLRs will make a difference for many people. Like it or not there will be other avenues for new filmakers that are not highly connected. We are all aware that in the Hollywood circles is not what you know but who you know. But many independent filmmakers deserve the chance our "democracy" is supposed to allow them.
 
John... sorry to ask this, but have you been working as a photographer or do you shoot video/film?
 
John... sorry to ask this, but have you been working as a photographer or do you shoot video/film?
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35mm stills, 120mm stills, 4x5 film, 8x10 film, Digital stills, super 8 movie film, 16mm movie film, 35mm movie film, VHS, Hi8 Video, 3/4 Inch video, DV, HD video. Started selling images when I was 14 years old and I am 47 years old today. Oh, I also write professionally, currently for a spanish publication and I also write english material. In addition I do graphic art including magazine layouts and also websites. I knew when I was 6 years old photography and movies were to be my bread and butter.

Anything else you would like to know?
 
How can you not know that what Sarlacc says is true, then? You're acting like he said something that isn't pretty well known.

Confusing.
 
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