5DII DOES 1080P footage!!!!!!

booggerg2 said:
Again, remind me why are you or anyone else comparing the video mode of a sub-$3K DSLR to Red One? LOL

I also saw Jim's post on the Red forum as a response to the 5D's announcement.. My question is why should a specialized cinema camera manufacture feel threatened enough by the "video mode" of a sub $3K DSLR to see a need to address it?
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'because Red people don't have even 1% on canon or nikon's money. if they are interested in 35mm video is bad news for them.
how many cameras they make a month? is it 20-30k? guess not

if this is happening in 2008, by 2010-11 Red will have a hard time selling 10 a year.
 
Kholi said:
Yeah! I know! I can't believe people have spent thousands of man hours trying to create it because professionals wanted a frame rate so that their digital images would look that much more closer to what an audience is used to.

And, what generally works better for narrative content.

What is WRONG with this planet!?

I'm out.
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It's just an aesthetic people have been trained to associate with film.

It will evolve just like the aspect ratios have.

Just like silent to talkies to stereo to surround....


Love you all the same.


Muah!

And have a good sleep! :beer:
 
I'm pretty neutral regarding the whole brand competition, but I gotta say that I'm still not convinced by these new cameras by Nikon and Canon. Now Red is a company that has emerged with a very clear aim and public...professional film equipment. They are taking technology that was used on their digital film projects and putting it on a photo camera, NOT the other way around, like Canon and Nikon. This is a good thing for film people. Nikon and Canon came up with cameras that are for photographers and as a BIG bonus added the ability of shooting hd video. This is very different from what Red is doing. So, forgive me if I just buy a micro four thirds or a canon g10 while I wait for what Red has to offer.
 
RED says that they are pretty much eliminating the rolling shutter problems with their Monstro sensor. So that means they are going to put their latest most innovative sensor, (in a smaller size I suppose), the one they are going to use for Epic, selling for $45,000.00, on a DSLR? In order for them to be better than Nikon and Canon they have to produce at least a 2K image, recorded to RED Raw, with no rolling shutter problems at a very affordable price. Wow thats a mighty task to fulfill.
 
And, on another note: If the HDMI output is better than the D90's then you MIGHT be able to get 24p out of it with a NanoFlash or something similar. So, that's a thought.

But more money.
 
Morning all...from the uk. the cat has been officially thrown in with the pigeons then!
I wonder whether there will be a PAL version? 25p
 
I'm excited, not because of this Still picture cam, but what the XL-H2 will be. The pandora's box has been opened. Full Frame Interchangeable lenses at "Consumer"prices has been achieved...

RED Scarlet, the Next Canon XL H2, and EVEn Sony, creators of the full frame Alpha 900, might respond with full frame affordable video cameras.

Canon doesn't have Professional Video camera Market to defend per se, like Sony, for example (the XL and the A1 are their higher end models, which are peanuts in sale numbers compared to their consumer divisions)... They do have a substantial investment on the HD 2/3 lens market
though.

Wild speculation: a 2/3 CCD XL H2s recording to AVCHD high bit rate (not my favourite option, but following current trends, quite possible). HD-SDI OUT

a Canon XH-H2 with 35mm interchangeable lens (Canon mount- still lenses). No support for Motion Picture lenses, tough. Also recording to AVCHD. HD-SDI OUT.

Or, maybe, a Canon XH-h2 2/3 CCD's Camera with Still lenses support (not unlike the announced EX1 mount option for Alpha lenses) , as well as the 2/3 Lenses support (coming with a cheapo CAC bundled with the body). Not the best option, but seems the most likely...

I sincerely can't see where Panasonic can go, tough. Their biggest strengh, IMO, is on their AVCINTRA codec. Their CMOS technology is underdeveloped (which can be seen on their still cameras), so either they up the game on the low end CCD camera, or it seems this new generation is going to be a very, very hard battle for Panasonic....
 
Excuse me for my ignorance but if it films 25p I have a setting in aspect hd from cineform to slow 25p to 24p.

Edit- I think it does it by simply playing the frames very slightly slower ie no weird pulldown stuff then timestretching audio.
 
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http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-9316-9607 said:
We're not certain about what the range of exposure controls on the 5D Mark II in video mode will be, though a few things are clear: shutter speed will be set automatically (between 1/30 and 1/125), any lens aperture can be selected, brightness can be locked prior to the commencement of video capture, or brightness can be controlled automatically by the camera. What facility there will be for adjusting exposure during recording, if any, we don't know. Nor have we been able to find out whether Canon has implemented the camera's automatic brightness control in a way that avoids the flickering brightness effect that shows up in some Nikon D90 video clips (and which disappears completely with that camera by locking the exposure).
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Can exposure be locked?
 
I laugh at the people that think higher frame rates mean better. This is ridiculous.

those who think 24p is some sort of old timer thing... please. It's the latest thing. Its why Nikon even bothered to put it in at all- to stand out from the rest of the consummies. otherwise, why the heck would you want regular video with 35mm DOF?

sure things will change and digital possibilities are endless. That's why every camcorder out in the market has 24p. That's why when canon and Panasonic first realized their FRAME MODE sorta looked like film, they knew they were onto something. That's why animations choose to present their films in 24fps when they clearly are not bound by framerates- esp when it comes to DVD.

I sure as hell would not watch any narrative shot on 60p and expect it to entertain me anymore than 'Days of Our Lives' would.

And yes, Canon does have a market to protect. If you think 30p is great, fine. Like Kholi said, just be ready to answer some questions.So go make a difference with your 30P.
 
My strategy is going to be,
buy the nikon d90 friday.woohoo!
use the nikon with my ex1 to film for now in 720p to use for web n dvd(offering many flexible options for the community/corporate films i make for a living)
...wait till the dust settles on the bombshell/seismic shift we are experiencing.
Then draw up a new strategy.
cos theres probably some crazy stuff gonna appear over the next year!
 
dvpixl said:
I laugh at the people that think higher frame rates mean better. This is ridiculous.

those who think 24p is some sort of old timer thing... please.
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I'm kind of dazzled that there are so many defensive arguments to the 24fps that was/is used only because it is the least *****y framerate that was usable motion wise. It was and is purely economic decision not to use higher default framerates. Sure we were rised on the 24fps and got used to it...
Sure for the past century every film maker and cinema visitor has been accustomed to the framerate too and sure there are hundreds of thousands 24fps projection and acquiring systems etc but it will change slowly now where there are other more cheaper and most importantly economic ways of making digital movies. We can not stand against pure market economy may we love the flickery picture or not.

Nikon D90 just didn't have the power to squeeze out more frames of that slow image pipeline that is causing the rolling shutter.
We'll see if 5D MKII will do better as it requires enourmous speed to read the sensor quickly enough to achieve minimal rolling shutter artifacts.

Sure I'd like to see at least 25fps for European electricity flicker as every light ballast out here has flicker when used with anything other than 1/25 invreasements of shutter speed or framerate. Not so bad with 24fps but with 30 it will be evident.

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30fps here in PAL land is pretty useless. It's made the camera completely redundant for anything here :(

I'm waiting for Sony's first video DSLR. With all their work on HD Pro-cameras (See Star Wars II and III) I expect that they will be the first to get it right, fingers crossed.
 
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Lol at this thread.

The Canon footage looks great. Only two deal killers for me:

1) Price. I'm not paying more than $2,500 for a DSLR.
2) 30P. I want to shoot narratives, not soccer games.

And those who try to defend 30P - you're just trying to justify the 5D video mode because otherwise it looks so good. But why do you think the original DVX100 was so popular? That's right, it could shoot 24P. There's a reason that 24P is a feature on camcorders, not a con. You think RED One owners shoot their movies in 60P just because they can? Hell no, because it looks cheap. 24P is called "film look". 30P is called "home video look".

I'll be first in line when Canon makes a $1,000 DSLR with 24P. And it wouldn't hurt to include some manual control too.

EDIT: I don't want to imply that I don't like the camera. It looks fantastic, beforementioned issues aside. I especially like the 1080P resolution and the fact that it uses nice bit rate H.264 codec instead of the older, much less efficient MJPEG. And the external mic option is cool too, even though I'd have liked some manual control over that as well.

I've heard some rumors about nasty skew though, but I'd rather wait to see handheld samples to judge that one myself.
 
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