The end of 35mm adapers and hv20s....

Lee Wilson said:
No one knows for sure - at the moment, much speculation but no firm proofs.
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Hmmm. I thought that was Manual mode's main purpose. (Why call it manual if the camera overrides it to meter?)

Anyone posting here with a D80 or comparable Nikon body who can confirm/deny that Manual mode kills metering?
 
Kholi said:
Perhaps, but It could have been the director's choice to use that "flaw" for the video.
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Yeah !

It could have also been a deliberate choice of Nikon's to implement that "flaw" for the D-Movie mode because they - like the director - thought it looked cool.

But I think it is reasonable to conclude that neither of these are true.

Kholi said:
It's fair to assume that it "would" have been locked for the best image ever, honestly, I think that the unlocked exposure or whatever is going on is gonna make a cool in-camera effect.
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Your taste in cool camera effects is shared by every other person who has used the D90 so far. :)
 
Lee Wilson said:
Yeah !



Your taste in cool camera effects is shared by every other person who has used the D90 so far. :)
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There's a bit of footage in the Nikon video that doesn't have the shift. Also, I think in the footage (I think) that Pappas linked it wasn't flickerin' either. Gonna have to check again.
 
Kholi said:
Lookin' good as far as Image Detail and Lattitude goes. . Still the kit lens, as well. 18-108 with VR enabled. The duck clip, where the rocks are, looks a little "smooshed" and oil-painty but it looks like compression.
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At last ! Someone else can see the 'oil-painty' charecteristic I have been going on about !! (See I am not mad !!) - this is the 'median' filter effect I have been talking about, it is present in all the clips to a greater or lesser extent - and where it is not so apparent there are very real aliasing problems.

Kholi said:
By far the best test is gonna be connectin' this to an actual LCD to view the image quality directly out of camera.
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The file you have before you (if you have downloaded the 'duck' clip for instance) is as good as it gets. This file, being an original AVI has been digitally copied/transfered from the camera, playing it directly out of the D90 will not improve the quality.
 
John Sandel said:
Not me. I don't have a Nikon to check; hence my question.

In Manual on, e.g., a D80, does the body go full manual or does the camera keep metering automatically? Anybody?
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My point was that even if we establish something as working a certain way for photographs on the D80 - we cannot then assume it will work the same way for video on the D90.

If we establish that the D80 stops auto-metering in manual mode we have established only that D80 stops auto-metering in manual mode - that was what I meant when I said 'Who knows what is implemented in the video mode ?'
 
Kholi said:
Yeah I can't find a picture of the HDMI out. Suppose it's a wait-til-sunday sort'a deal at the moment. And, to that, what sort of HDMI out is it? The mini that's terribly hard to reasonably priced cables for?
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Kholi this is from the D90 review at Dpreview.com

---{{{HDMI output / High Definition display

Like the D3/D30/D700, the D90 offers HDMI digital high definition video output. From the setup menu you can select between Auto, 480p, 576p, 720p or 1080i output, in this section we are only going to examine the 720p and 1080i options. HDMI output works in any mode which would otherwise use the LCD monitor; shooting information, menus, live view and playback. It has to be said that using live view over HDMI to a HD LCD or Plasma screen really is an amazing experience and could be extremely useful in studio photography situations. Below we have provided captures of HDMI output in both 720p (1280 x 720) and 1080i (1920 x 1080) resolutions just to give you a sense of the amount of detail visible. My only disappointment would be that there didn't seem to be a way to display the image without any shooting information (except when magnifying), this means that the default display (top image below) is only using 74% of screen width (theoretically, given aspect ratio differences this could be 84% without the status lines at the bottom).

Please note that the screenshots below have been taken from our D3 review and will be updated for the Nikon D90 in-depth review.}}-------

http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD3/Images/Captures/HDMI/1080i_playback_zoomed.jpg

http://a.img-dpreview.com/reviews/NikonD3/Images/Captures/HDMI/1080i_playback.jpg

http://www.dpreview.com/previews/nikond90/page10.asp
 
so wait a minute, this thing can record 1080? I thought it was only 720? this thread is moving too fast for me to keep up.
 
The HDMI conector is one side with a/v video out plug next to it. In the D90 brochure somebody here put the link to it clearly says a/v and HDMI out, and when you use the HDMI the LCD playbayck is not available.
And like I said before, if the Exposure lock button works like the one in the 40X and I am sure in the 80 as well, you can lock the exposure as long as you don't try to zoom, because when you do it unlocks the exposure even if you are continuing to press the button.
 
Lee Wilson said:
… even if we establish something as working a certain way … on the D80 - we cannot then assume it will work the same way for video on the D90.
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Thanks, Lee, that much is clear. My goal is not to create assumptions but to glean indications. (This thread is almost all about grasping at threads.)

My question is open to anyone with a D80 who can confirm or deny that that cam's Manual mode turns off all automatic metering. It would be useful to know as an indication of how Manual may be likely to work on the D90.

So, who's got a D80 who can shed some light?
 
Lee Wilson said:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=HzfXUq38eFU&feature=email&fmt=18
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=7nyGEW8Egts&feature=related&fmt=18
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=vKHfPbJXDy8&feature=related&fmt=18
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd94II6EO6s&feature=related&fmt=18
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=AgYlvMvSJqw&feature=related&fmt=18
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd94II6EO6s&NR=1&fmt=18
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*Rolling shutter and Exposure Flicker*
*Rolling shutter and Exposure Flicker*
*Rolling shutter and Exposure Flicker*
*Rolling shutter and Exposure Flicker*
*Rolling shutter and Exposure Flicker*
*Rolling shutter and Exposure Flicker*

I don't get how everyone is saying this looks "cool". Maybe for a small part where this "look" is intentional, but all the time? NO WAY. It's a serious issue in my book, and is a make or break deal for using this camera for any real world semi-pro video work.

The more I see, the more I think that this is just a "video" feature on a nice still camera, not the dream machine I've been waiting for.

Is it the first step? abso-f@cking-lutely, and I'm stoked beyond belief of the potential, but this exact model may not be the one...

I'll probably still pick one up just because my D80 could use an upgrade, and the video feature is an added bonus to a bad@ss DSLR in a fantastic price range.

-brown
 
Ryan, I think you said you have a D80. Can you check on John Sandel's question and also check the exposure lock as I explained earlier to see if it works the same as the 40X? Thanks.
 
If you notice, the really bad rolling shutter effect is coming from people that grabbed the camera and shot with it in a very low light situation. I wonder if the low exposure they most likely got affects the image that bad. The better lighted stuff looks much better.
 
<<<<< Is it the first step? abso-f@cking-lutely, and I'm stoked beyond belief of the potential, but this exact model may not be the one... >>>>>



The D90 never was intended, or going to be " The One ". It's Nikon. It's a first step. It's like judging a 1 year old for not walking like a 5 year old. What's important here, is that we encourage Nikon to go the next step and keep going. We see the potential for this. If Nikon does see that, it's possible that some issues will get fixed in firmware upgrades. Nikon is in new territory for themselves, we can help educate them in what we need.
 
[ Caballero;1390071]If you notice, the really bad rolling shutter effect is coming from people that grabbed the camera and shot with it in a very low light situation. I wonder if the low exposure they most likely got affects the image that bad. The better lighted stuff looks much better.[/QUOTE]


I agree,

The worst footage is coming from average joe's that don't even have a clue what to do. For one, all Nikon D90's come set for Auto and all dumb modes turned on. Video on a SLR is new, so I don't expect most will even think of what they need to deactivate so that camera functions like a HD camera. This camera needs to get in very capable hands and it's frustrating to see that it hasn't been handed over to anyone that is knowledgeable in HD cameras. Soon it will though....





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