The end of 35mm adapers and hv20s....

Elias said:
OMG! I see M in upper left corner of display in that Nikon's Nikon movie. That means that one can shoot in totally manual exposure mode - and with old AI or AiS lenses too. So, don't worry about that exposure lock button.
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Exactly!

You can use those manual lenses ( which would negate the whole AE lock/hold function ) that have been tested and performed great for years.

I would rather use the manual Nikon prime lenses anyways.

However zooms are appealing too!



** NIKONS NEW COMMERCIAL FOR THE D90. NIkon is sure making a step into new directions. **

http://www.nikonproducts.co.uk/d90-video.aspx




Pappas
 
it could be the ISO jumping, not necessarily the f/stop. so a manual lens (something i learned in this thread) wont necessarily negate the need to lock it.

is it the flash keyframing (does flash use keyframes?) i see or is the exposure jumping in Nikon own commercial? that's a very bad sign.
 
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I think the exposure changes that happen in shot can add a nice flavor, like old 16mm when the film gate would occasionally leak light for flash frames.

Of course, you would also want full manual or at least full lock without holding a button. There still a lot of questions (like shooting movie mode with old manual lenses, rolling shutter, is there a 1/48th? frame speed or just 1/50th etc) but the bottom line is this is kick ass STILL DSLR. The HD movie mode is basically thrown in for free.

As far as the softness, I tend to guess that this will end up being sharper than the HVX family, maybe even than the HV20 because you are starting with a large, dense sensor with much better dynamic range, noise and color reproduction than most (if not all) video camera sensors and down sampling.

So despite the low data rate, human vision rates contrast and color as more vital to PQ than resolution in most tests. The MPJEG transcoded to a robust codec should sharpen nicely without artifacts (as long as Nikon writes good MPJEGS - since there still JPEGs look good, this should happen).

HVX and similar cams upsample which tends to produce more issues and is very difficult to sharpen without ugly artifacts.

Plus, with the D90 you're going to end up with several stops more latitude, way lower noise at the same light levels. Throw in D-lighting and Nikon glass, DOF control, nice wide glass etc. and the visual bang for buck could be revolutionary.

Especially when the effective cost is zero unless you don't happen to own a quality still camera (mine's going for sale shortly).

And if this the first shot out of the barrel from Nikon, what comes after could be really interesting.
 
Zak Forsman said:
it could be the ISO jumping, not necessarily the f/stop. so a manual lens (something i learned in this thread) wont necessarily negate the need to lock it.
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Yeah, I agree. My primary question is when you go into movie mode, is the camera still behaving like a Nikon (other modes) or does it have it's own exposure mode and rules. Ideally, the movie mode would be separate from the main dial.

And, what can they fix with a firmware change as opposed to a new model?
 
Someone was saying earlier that when he fires a bunch of stills rapidly from his Nikon when shooting stills, the exposure can vary slightly. Maybe it can't be fixed. That would be a shame.

How did Hunter fix it in post?
 
Zak Forsman said:
is it the flash keyframing (does flash use keyframes?) i see or is the exposure jumping in Nikon own commercial? that's a very bad sign.
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Like I said, I too see the exposure jumping in their own commercial and I also feel like that's a bad sign. I see it in the professional Horse video clips they released as well. I really don't understand how they would decide or why they would decide to do that on purpose.
 
Zak Forsman said:
it could be the ISO jumping, not necessarily the f/stop. so a manual lens (something i learned in this thread) wont necessarily negate the need to lock it.

is it the flash keyframing (does flash use keyframes?) i see or is the exposure jumping in Nikon own commercial? that's a very bad sign.
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Zak, I think you are correct. The exposure adjustment would have to be Asa/Iso in my opinion. I really don't think the camera is clicking the physical lens stops, changing the physical amount of light coming in. I think it's electronically compensating for the change in light.

From my perspective, an exposure lock will be necessary even with a manual lens.
 
Go Nikon! That was brilliant. Using the camera to shoot its own commercial. This guys know what they are doing. This is no accident. This is NIKON, I think they went to the moon and back, didn't they?
If there is a problem with the exposure I am sure they will get at it and fix it. They have a lot riding on this camera.
 
Drew Ott said:
Someone was saying earlier that when he fires a bunch of stills rapidly from his Nikon when shooting stills, the exposure can vary slightly. Maybe it can't be fixed. That would be a shame.

How did Hunter fix it in post?
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If this camera does not have exposure lock, it might not be a decision by Nikon to deliberately leave it out... it might be an uncontrollable side effect of the camera's chip. See what I mean?
 
Welll, because Nikon probably aimed this for the "consumer" people and unlike the people on the boards probably think "hey it has auto exposure...neat"...too much is being looked into nikon releasing this as a motion picture camera.
 
Car3o said:
and it's been said at least 15 times the exposure can be locked...on chase's blog and the guy who actually held the camera.
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But even the people who are saying that it is lockable are releasing footage showing where it's clearly NOT locked.

And I have heard no reasonable explanation why Nikon would release footage showing off their new HD camera with amatureish exposure jumps.

Is there any footage which pans across light and dark areas withOUT the exposure adjusting automatically?
 
The guy sh something went there JUST to check this feature out...he clearly states it can be locked...look on his previous posts..he wanted to know himself. i guess we have to wait till he gets back on the boards, but shooting footage on the fly like probably didn't get to hold the button down the entire time.
 
Ryan Patrick O'Hara said:
If this camera does not have exposure lock, it might not be a decision by Nikon to deliberately leave it out... it might be an uncontrollable side effect of the camera's chip. See what I mean?
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Good point, but other CMOSs handle auto exposure very well, with smooth transitions between exposure points.

Mind you, I didn't see any problems in the footage in the Nikon ad, maybe they did some post ??

Who knows ! We need a camera, now !!
 
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