The end of 35mm adapers and hv20s....

Ok this is official:

Movie specs: • File format AVI (Motion-JPEG)
• Image size (pixels) 640 x 424; 24 fps 320 x 216; 24 fps 1280 x 720; 24 fps
• Compression: Motion-JPEG Audio Monaural on/off selection
• Exposure: Determined with matrix metering utilizing output from the image sensor
• Exposure lock available
• Exposure compensation available in P, S, A, M modes
• Maximum single clip length: 1280x720/ 5 minutes, others 20 minutes

Thats what Ive been waiting to read for myself, this is from an updated page on the d90 at dpreview.com
 
I will be the first guinea pig! I will get one the day they are released and shoot a movie with it.- and it wont be of my dog in my back yard! ; )

I am also planning on testing sync to make sure it holds over the entire recording time, as well as finding out if its really 24 or 23.98 fps
 
Can you do a latitude test and rolling shutter test? Would be amazing.

I'm going to get mine, but not right when they come out. Have to find a job first.... grrr.
 
I have couple of things that I noticed...

Why 24mmx18mm? isn't it very weird to have a sensor for a DSLR that is exact full frame size of 35mm motion picture camera? It means that the sensor was originally designed to do that! That said, we are going to see a lot of sensors in this size that are capable of motion picture capture... times are changing... what Jim made for us, is that he pushed all the big guys to understand why we need the bigger size sensors... for them RED is a business case study... so seat tight and wait and see what is coming... the only thing that holds down Canon is the 2/3 lens business that will be crippled if a Canon HDV or AVC-HD camera rolls out in 1080p with full 35mm sensor and EF mount... So at a business perspective for them is question of either low volume high margins or high volume low margins?...!!! the time will pass and they will do it, but they will try to slow it down as much as they can...

This camera will hurt the Scarlet possible user base hard... its a good move (for the big guys) to slow down RED... Jim will lose revenues from that...
 
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This opens a whole different realm. Imagine a younger individual who wants to start video... they can get some clips and start working, while at the same time develop Photography skills.

I mean I wont use it just yet for corporate work, but just for practice. This way when they get the real tools forget it.
 
I leave for Tokyo on Saturday....... Will check to see if there gonna be available in Japan before the USA.
Anyone know if it's gonna be a "One World" camera..... Or region specific?

frisco
 
As I read it, the D-Movie features from Nikon web site, that much I understand why Nikon and not Canon... Because they want to sell there lenses!!! they don't have an intra corporate conflict of interest... And if they enter the D-Movie market for them is big time... (If they let them)

Canon will have a problem if it makes something similar... the Canon Cine HD lenses revenues will be crippled hard...
 
dantewaters said:
This opens a whole different realm. Imagine a younger individual who wants to start video... they can get some clips and start working, while at the same time develop Photography skills.

I mean I wont use it just yet for corporate work, but just for practice. This way when they get the real tools forget it.
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You are completely right. This camera will indeed make hundreds if not thousands of young people fall in love with cinematography & photography... and the video mode lacking autofocus is for the best!!!

Probably the best learning/practicing tool out there! :laugh:

I want one for that reason. Can't lug my HVX everywhere I go.
 
Evangelos Achillopoulos said:
As I read it, the D-Movie features from Nikon web site, that much I understand why Nikon and not Canon... Because they want to sell there lenses!!! they don't have an intra corporate conflict of interest... And if they enter the D-Movie market for them is big time... (If they let them)

Canon will have a problem if it makes something similar... the Canon Cine HD lenses revenues will be crippled hard...
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Great points..... This is going to get interesting. Leaves the door wide open for companies that aren't directly in the video business already.

Maybe Leica.... or Rollei???


frisco
 
I'm sure I'm about to get stoned to death for this comment but the possibilities around what the D90 represents are more exciting for me than Scarlet. I will pray for other companies to follow Nikons' footsteps in improving this idea.
 
Cheap SD cards...

DOF...

small size ...

records 1280 x 720...

shoot right side up...

no G.G problems...

no Vignetting...

no back focus problems...

what loss of light?

$900...

Hee hee, I think that is enough for me to choose it over a adapter that is on the market at the moment...
 
DavidChia said:
Cheap SD cards...

DOF...

small size ...

records 1280 x 720...

shoot right side up...

no G.G problems...

no Vignetting...

no back focus problems...

what loss of light?

$900...

Hee hee, I think that is enough for me to choose it over a adapter that is on the market at the moment...
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Nice list of pro's aint it?

When you said "What light loss?" you failed to mention that it's actually MORE light sensitivity. HVX by itself is iso/asa 320ish area. This photography camera can be set at a maximum 3,200!! (btw thats over 3 stops faster then raw HVX translating in the 'cinematographer/photographer' needing 1/8th the amount of light necessary on the HVX)

Please note I am comparing to the HVX because it's what we can almost all relate to. This is not to try and state this photography camera is an acceptable or competitive substitute... because it's not.

The only prospective downsides to the D90 movie mode, which need to be tested:

- Compression. Its not our DVCPro HD we are used to. Going to be packaged in smaller bits.

- Should I even question the dynamic range on a photography camera? Normally no, but sometimes compression can crush highlights together and shadows together. We need to test dynamic range.

- Shutter. It's CMOS and a rolling shutter. I have a feeling since the chip is gigantic and this isn't meant to be a high end video camera, they didn't bust booty to minimize a wobble effect, etc.



I just can't wait for this. Someday photography cameras will just take videos and they will extract frames in post, unless using flash photography. Crazy day that will be.
 
BMX original 720p sample suffers from just about every consumer camcorder problem going !

Stair stepping (see BMX wheels)
Rolling shutter wobble (look at the folk in the foreground at the start of the shot!)
Exposure jumping up and down in distinct steps (!)
Banding.
And an overall soft image (as if run through a median filter!!)

Hopefully most of these can be overcome or are down the user error - although I know no remedy for an obvious rolling shutter wobble.

Looks like a door just opened onto something wonderful.
 
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