HMC150 questions answered...

Uploading rain footage now. Power and internet connections keep flickering, so I don't know how long it'll be before it's up. I shot front doorstep rain in all modes, and then in 6mbps mode I waved the camera around like a drunken fool just to really torture poor 6mbps mode. It actually looks pretty decent on the HDTV, but still-by-still ... not so good. :)
 
Your testing is really appreciated Barry. Thank you!

For any who are curious - on my octo (2.8) Mac, FCP's Log and Transfer converted all ten clips (60 seconds) in about 30 seconds. 2:1 is good enough for me and I'm no longer scared of the workflow. It'll be a huge time saver coming from tape. Click, drag, walk away.

Barry - the fifth clip is solid green with no video. Any ideas what this is? The thumbnail in the Log and Transfer window shows video, but the preview and the transcoded version don't play. Just curious where the glitch occurred.

Also, are any of the rain clips in PH mode? I think you said you used all of them in this test but the highest bit rate was around 17. Was there just no more data in the scene? If possible, do you remember which clip it was?

Probably because I'm so used to editing footage from the DVX but the 7.1 Mbps clip was surprisingly pleasing to my eye (due to the softness?). How could you compare this to DV NTSC from the DVX in terms of bit rate/detail? I'm curious if it would actually make sense to shoot in HE mode if I were planning to intercut with DVX footage.
 
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Barry_Green said:
Actually no, there's no power input socket at all on the new cameras.
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Wow, that surprises me. I use external power all the time for corporate jobs. Why do you think that's happening, Barry? Manufacturers figure their batteries last longer on SS recording devices than they do with tape drives? Or they just want us to buy more batteries? D'oh.
 
Jared Meyer said:
Your testing is really appreciated Barry. Thank you!

For any who are curious - on my octo (2.8) Mac, FCP's Log and Transfer converted all ten clips (60 seconds) in about 30 seconds. 2:1 is good enough for me and I'm no longer scared of the workflow. It'll be a huge time saver coming from tape. Click, drag, walk away.

Barry - the fifth clip is solid green with no video. Any ideas what this is? The thumbnail in the Log and Transfer window shows video, but the preview and the transcoded version don't play. Just curious where the glitch occurred.

Also, are any of the rain clips in PH mode? I think you said you used all of them in this test but the highest bit rate was around 17. Was there just no more data in the scene? If possible, do you remember which clip it was?

Probably because I'm so used to editing footage from the DVX but the 7.1 Mbps clip was surprisingly pleasing to my eye (due to the softness?). How could you compare this to DV NTSC from the DVX in terms of bit rate/detail? I'm curious if it would actually make sense to shoot in HE mode if I were planning to intercut with DVX footage.
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I could be wrong but did you read out the bit rate in FCP's browser after log and transfer? Then 17 Mpps is actually 17 MB/s (Megabyte per second), which is the new data rate of the clip after beeing trancoded into ProRes.

Clip No. 3 and respectively 0006.MTS (1280x720 24p) transfers into 7.1 MB/s. I know it sounds confusing and I was almost mislead by bits and bytes the first time I watched the browser information in FCP.
 
Actually no, there's no power input socket at all on the new cameras.

Barry you sound so cool about it, like it's normal to have no power input socket.
I don't know, first the footage I download from you still doesn't convince me and now this.
I need a new camera very soon so maybe I better buy the new nikon D90.
 
mrcodec said:
I could be wrong but did you read out the bit rate in FCP's browser after log and transfer? Then 17 Mpps is actually 17 MB/s (Megabyte per second), which is the new data rate of the clip after beeing trancoded into ProRes.

Clip No. 3 and respectively 0006.MTS (1280x720 24p) transfers into 7.1 MB/s. I know it sounds confusing and I was almost mislead by bits and bytes the first time I watched the browser information in FCP.
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Ah, you're right, I wasn't thinking about Mbps and MB/s. Whoops. That is confusing...

I guess I'm still curious to know which clip was in which mode. Is there a way to tell?
 
Jared Meyer said:
Barry - the fifth clip is solid green with no video. Any ideas what this is?
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Bad download? They all look good here.

Also, are any of the rain clips in PH mode? I think you said you used all of them in this test but the highest bit rate was around 17.
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Yes, there's clips in all modes. They correspond to:
HE 6mbps: 0012
HG 13mbps: 0011
HA 17mbps: 0010

PH 720/24: 0006
PH 720/30: 0005
PH 720/60: 0004

PH 1080/24: 0007
PH 1080/30: 0008
PH 1080/60: 0009

HE torture: 0013
 
JBurkey said:
Wow, that surprises me. I use external power all the time for corporate jobs. Why do you think that's happening, Barry? Manufacturers figure their batteries last longer on SS recording devices than they do with tape drives? Or they just want us to buy more batteries? D'oh.
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Don't know. But the HVX200 has the socket, and the HPX170 doesn't.
 
Quickbrownfox said:
Barry you sound so cool about it, like it's normal to have no power input socket.
I don't know, first the footage I download from you still doesn't convince me and now this.
I need a new camera very soon so maybe I better buy the new nikon D90.
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Is that really a big issue? My DVX came with a power adapter that went in the battery slot. I've never used the power socket, so it's a non-issue, at least for me.
 
Right -- I mean, in case that wasn't clear, there's of course an AC adapter included in the box and it works just like the DVX/HVX adapter works.

What's different is that the HVX200 had a second DC 7.9V input terminal in addition to the included AC adapter. The new cameras don't have that additional socket.
 
David S. said:
How are you mounting the cards?
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I've got a USB slot on the side of my Dell 2405 monitor that I've been using, but I also got a SanDisk MicroMate USB reader that came free with buying a 4GB Extreme III. (I didn't know at the time that you only needed Class 4, I thought it would require Class 6).

My laptop docking station also has a built-in SD reader and they work fine in there too.

The ExpressCard SD adapter that came with my Sony Vaio laptop would not, however, recognize any SDHC cards.
 
Quickbrownfox said:
Actually no, there's no power input socket at all on the new cameras.

Barry you sound so cool about it, like it's normal to have no power input socket.
I don't know, first the footage I download from you still doesn't convince me and now this.
I need a new camera very soon so maybe I better buy the new nikon D90.
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There's a few catches with the D90.

(1) The audio is mono.

(2) In 720/24p mode you can only record for 5 minutes. The image sensor overheats after that, so you have to let it cool.

(3) No external audio input.

(4) 8 GB = 20 minutes of video


There are still a lot of unknowns about this camera. I'm sure it's a great camera, but as for the video end, I'd sure like to see the source file and not the reduced-resolution footage that has been posted.

With the 5 minute limit, this is not the camera to shoot a full length wedding.


Bob Diaz
 
The D90, despite all of the features that make it stand out, probably isn't going to be that great of a camera. It's going to have lots of bugs that have to be worked out--this is the first camera of its kind. What I'm excited to see, however, are all the new products that will be inspired by this one.
 
What have D90 to do with HMC150
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