HPX170 User Manual and Specs Sheet

As mentioned on the link above

Overvieuw

-20 variable frame rate steps include: 12, 15, 18, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 40, 44, 48, 54, 60

Is the 25 correct Barry or are they talking about the European version or the upgrade ?


Keeping my fingers crossed:)
 
I just downloaded and read the manual, and there's a listing in the "Warnings" section (page 91) that I found odd:

"Run Down Card -- The maximum number of overwrites on the P2 card has been exceeded. Operation continues. However, recording or playback may not operate correctly. It is recommended that you replace the P2 card with another one."

So can we assume that the P2 card keeps some kind of internal counter as to how many times it has been used / formatted? This is the first I've heard of this. How many overwrites is the card rated for before such a message will appear? Is there a way to check your cards to see how many "writes" (or whatever the unit of measurement here is called) they have?
 
Everts said:
As mentioned on the link above

Overvieuw

-20 variable frame rate steps include: 12, 15, 18, 20, 21, 22, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, 32, 34, 36, 40, 44, 48, 54, 60

Is the 25 correct Barry or are they talking about the European version or the upgrade ?


Keeping my fingers crossed:)
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Yes there's 25, but it's not PAL-compatible 25.000. It's something like 24.975 or something. And if you choose 24pN @ 25fps, you don't get audio.

I think it's unfortunate that they put it in there because it's bound to cause a lot of confusion. If you want *real* 25fps, you have to spring for the upgrade to switchability.
 
TwistedLincoln said:
How many overwrites is the card rated for before such a message will appear? Is there a way to check your cards to see how many "writes" (or whatever the unit of measurement here is called) they have?
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Earliest cards have been out for, what, four years or so. In heavy news use, it might be time for some of them to hit the 100,000 read/write guarantee. I've never seen it or heard of it happening, but I guess it's mathematically possible to exceed 100,000 read/write cycles within about 4 years.
 
Barry,

I think in your hpx170 tutorial you should have a section on how to use waveform and vector scope effectively and practically. This important subject wasnt even covered in the manual at all.
 
Yes, in the new HVX+HPX Book, I devote about 8 pages to waveform/vectorscope usage, including pictures. Even so, I would describe what I did as an "introduction" to using those tools. I hope that I provided enough information that people will understand how to use them and will be able to employ them to get much better results from their video. I didn't go into all the things that waveforms and vectorscopes can do, largely because the HPX's waveform doesn't do RGB Parade and features such as that, it's primarily a monochrome luminance readout. But hopefully people will find it a good base to go from that will help them understand how to get good solid footage better than they otherwise ever would have! :)
 
:thumbup: That is why we all love you Barry ! :dankk2:

Barry_Green said:
Yes, in the new HVX+HPX Book, I devote about 8 pages to waveform/vectorscope usage, including pictures. Even so, I would describe what I did as an "introduction" to using those tools. I hope that I provided enough information that people will understand how to use them and will be able to employ them to get much better results from their video. I didn't go into all the things that waveforms and vectorscopes can do, largely because the HPX's waveform doesn't do RGB Parade and features such as that, it's primarily a monochrome luminance readout. But hopefully people will find it a good base to go from that will help them understand how to get good solid footage better than they otherwise ever would have! :)
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Barry_Green said:
Earliest cards have been out for, what, four years or so. In heavy news use, it might be time for some of them to hit the 100,000 read/write guarantee. I've never seen it or heard of it happening, but I guess it's mathematically possible to exceed 100,000 read/write cycles within about 4 years.
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You'd be a pretty darn busy cameraman if you did, and consequently probably flush enough to afford it.

The math works out to just over 68 r/w cycles every single day for the entire four years...
 
Ted Spencer said:
The math works out to just over 68 r/w cycles every single day for the entire four years...
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I wonder what qualifies as a "read write cycle"? Is is filling up the card completely, and then formatting it, or does shooting one 10 second clip and then deleting it count as a cycle? If it does, even 100,000 cycles could add up fast, depending on how you shoot.

Academic debates aside, I seriously doubt this will be an issue any time soon. I suppose it's on the same lines as wearing out compact flash cards in a digital camera-- sure, it can happen, but by the time it does you've almost certainly already bought a larger card...
 
TwistedLincoln said:
I wonder what qualifies as a "read write cycle"? Is is filling up the card completely, and then formatting it, or does shooting one 10 second clip and then deleting it count as a cycle? If it does, even 100,000 cycles could add up fast, depending on how you shoot.
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A read write cycle is one that fills the card completely and then you off-load that card. If you only use 4 minutes say of a 16GB card, and offload it is only 1/4 of a full read-write.

Hope that makes sense.

Best,

Jan
 
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i have ZERO information to validate this, and i DO NOT want to start any negative buzz - but i have this uneasy fear that the 170 is being rushed to market.

i remember back in the apple quadra / power pc days. the 840av came out and rocked. one of the best machines apple ever made - everyone loved it (kinda like the hvx200). then less than a year later the Power PC 8100 (or whatever model that was) came out and everyone feverishly lapped it up only to find out that although it was faster-newer-better, it was fatally flawed and would NEVER work properly with the NLEs of the day... and the buyer was more or less screwed.

we're all so feverishly waiting for the 170. i hope we dont see a repeat of that kind of situation.

i mean the HVX, from pre-release pic one - i couldnt stop looking at it! though small in stature, appeared to be solid-built like a brick shi##er. and in my experience, it WAS! but every pic ive seem of the 170, it just looks poorly designed and slapped together from an industrial design standpoint. and the short time between the release of the 200a and the 170 kinda scares me. because really from an overall quality of end result standpoint, a 170 (from everything ive read here and elsewhere) is just a 200a without a tape drive. i know, i know, the 170 has a lot of really cool features. features that i plan to enjoy a great deal - but how many of them are deal breakers when it comes down to final end product? not enough to change your life.

i guess some of this comes down to two things:
1. my background as a designer. i just cant believe the same minds who built the elegant hvx200 also designed the 170.
2. being burned before by "bleeding-edge" technology - once bitten, as they say...
 
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Hold the 170, then go back to the 200, and you'll be shocked how much better the 170 is, in design and ergonomics.

The 170, rather than being "rushed to market", is the 200 replacement that's probably been in design from the day the 200 shipped. The 200A is merely a chip upgrade, the 170 is the true successor.
 
If Barry says it is solid and well designed, good enough for me. One thing about Barry, he does not sugar coat it when he doesn't like something.

My HPX is on order.

Dan
 
oh yes. that reply DOES go a LONG WAY to relieving my fears... i hope nobody took my post as reactionary...

just again, once bitten...
 
the HPX will be my next camera. i'm certain of that... after using the EX1 extensively for the past few weeks and owning a 200 "Classic", my choice will be the 170. everything about the camera seems like it's what I orginally wanted from the HVX!

anyone want to buy a 200? ;-)
 
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