Nonsense.
Nonsense.
Nonsense. I've downloaded both SxS and P2 cards on the same laptop, and they download at identical speeds.
Depends on what mode you shot in. An hour of 720/24p will download at almost exactly the same speed. An hour of 1080 will download faster with SxS.
All I can say is that it's quite a while since I personally saw Cardbus in a laptop on sale, but OK, "more rarely seen in modern laptops" may have been more accurate wording than "no longer seen". And how many of your list will still be on sale in 6 months time? In a years time? Fact remains that ExpressCard is current computer technology, Cardbus is obsolescent, whilst not obsolete.
Well - depends on your definition of "quite expensive" I suppose, and I'll admit that those are cheaper than what I've seen before. They still add a fair premium on to the cost of a laptop, and surely native acceptance of ExpressCard is preferable to an adaptor?
Not nonsense at all, and it's down to my original qualifier - "if the other peripherals are up to it". Quite often the harddrive, or it's connection to the laptop, will be the weakest link, and then SxS and P2 may well download at identical speeds. But use a fast RAID, and a connection method that can take advantage of it, and the weakest link may well then become the P2 card interface adaptor to the PC. Whilst the SxS card plugs directly to the fast bus and storms ahead.
Well yes, but with 1920x1080 full raster chips and full raster recording surely there is very little incentive to shoot 720p/24 rather than 1080p/24 with an EX? And surely with the HVX200 you would normally recommend 1080p/24 recording over 720p/24 anyway, unless you wanted slow motion? And not only will an hour of 1080 download much faster with SxS than P2, the same applies to 720p/60 as well.
We'll have to check back in six months or a year.
And the fact remains that you can use cheap adapters right now, today, and you can use your camera as a free adapter. So the scare tactic isn't valid.
Yep, that's straight out of the Sony marketing brochure. Somehow hasn't stopped Panasonic from taking 80% of the solid state market so far.
They're saying that any new development should be conducted on the ExpressCard standard, since the PC Card is now finished. As in, mature. Complete. No further work necessary. Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.
Dude, please. How can $69 apply to ANYONE's definition of "quite expensive" when we're talking about memory cards that cost $900 and camcorders that cost $5,000 to $48,000? Give it up already. $69 to $119 is not, by any stretch of anyone's imagination, anything other than "dirt cheap."
Only if you choose to go that way, and what type of laptop? If you're getting a $2500 Macbook Pro, I'd say a $119 adapter adds a minimal premium, not a "fair premium." And if you're going with a Windows laptop, you can get out for under $600 and not even bother with an adapter. So, again, I reject the premise of your argument. It might work for "sky is falling" folks, but in the here and now, in the "can I work today" world, it's little more than FUD.
No, native acceptance of your preferred recording medium is preferable to an adapter. But again, it's a false argument. You can buy a laptop with both ExpressCard and PCMCIA slots right now. I just did. So you don't HAVE to choose at all.
That is true.
NONSENSE. How can it "storm ahead" when, by design, it's only potentially capable in the most theoretical laboratory conditions of barely being 20% faster? The bus does not define the card. The internal memory is the limiting factor, regardless of how fast the bus is.
Yes, but you can't have all the blanket statements fall your way. Either the argument is valid or it isn't. If what someone needs can be satisfied by 720/24P, then the arguments about the EX's long-GOP edit-hell codec go right out the window, so -- just pointing out both sides.
Yes. And it will edit much faster and easier from the HVX than it would from the SxS. What's the point here again?
The Sony marketing brochure!?! Hardly. The quote is from the top of the page of the link I posted immediately preceding it. Which is the PCMCIA official website, the page dealing with Cardbus. The overall body responsible for both Cardbus and ExpressCard. Impartial enough?
Well, most people I know interpret it as "design anything new with ExpressCard, not Cardbus". Look at the wikipedia link, the section marked "Technological obsolescence", quote:
Because an SxS card slots directly into an ExpressCard slot (no adaptor) and a P2 card slots directly into a Cardbus slot (no adaptor). How can that logic be faulted?
Not nonsense at all. Because the SxS card directly accesses the high speed system bus via PCIExpress. A P2 card accesses the adaptor, which then translates to access the internal bus, hence the adaptor becomes the slowest link, not the card itself. And the PCIExpress interface is rated at 2.5Gbs, and is serial, whilst Cardbus is parallel. See what wikipedia has to say about ExpressCard interfacing: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ExpressCard
muhaha
I know where the quote comes from. I also know that it's plastered all over Sony's presentations as if it's somehow the "death knell" of P2. Funny how it hasn't quite worked out that way.
Because you're equating ExpressCard with SxS, and SxS is just one use of ExpressCard. That's all I was saying. Other systems use ExpressCard (such as the Lexar SSDs) and they're not compatible with SxS, nor are they anywhere near the speed. ExpressCard = ExpressCard. ExpressCard != SxS. SxS uses it, but you made a blanket equating of it.
Except that you're wrong. Cardbus is not "inherently far slower than P2". Cardbus is rated at 1.33 Gigabytes per second. Cardbus is about 40% *faster* than SxS. Sony could have put out a card with all of SxS's specifications and still based it on CardBus and CardBus would have been plenty fast enough for it.
No, it is not. Current and future technology is (as of today) a landslide for P2. SxS remains a curious oddity that so far hasn't caught on well at all.
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