HVX200 vs HVX200a -- a side-by-side low-light comparison
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arrestthisman
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I have to say... This is really depressing. I have no plans to upgrade to the HVX200a, but that footage was night and day, and I do a TON of low light photography. I guess I'll have to embrace the noise for a while.
Then it's either the 170 or Scarlet, depending on if it looks like it will ship on time or not. I just wish panasonic offered an upgrade program of some kind.
What about ALL THE PEOPLE who've just bought a brand new HVX200 in the last three months?
I've loved electronics since I was a kid, but I hate the obsolete nature of it.
This is very depressing. But no ill will! I wish all new buyers the best on the A. I hope you enjoy your awesome low light photography you bastards!
Then it's either the 170 or Scarlet, depending on if it looks like it will ship on time or not. I just wish panasonic offered an upgrade program of some kind.
What about ALL THE PEOPLE who've just bought a brand new HVX200 in the last three months?
I've loved electronics since I was a kid, but I hate the obsolete nature of it.
This is very depressing. But no ill will! I wish all new buyers the best on the A. I hope you enjoy your awesome low light photography you bastards!
Al MacLeod
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Awww c'mon...Leave Panansonic alone...how else do you expect them to dump old stock before the new camera with much better specs for the same price comes out? It's like the line in the Godfather from Abe Vigoda to Robert Duvall..." tell Micheal it was only business, I always liked him"
HAHAHA... on the other hand I totally feel you bro! hehehe... and I'm a Panamaniac
But just to be clear, it is the profitable nature of the line that keeps giving us crazy cameras at low prices... I only expect that Sony and Pana duke it out to the point that one of them releases a removable lens... and then Scarlet in 2010 wouldn't sound all that crazy... yes you get the benefits of "flawless" projection... I only mean "flawless" cause I seriously doubt that they will fix the bottom end in misterium... If Jannard does put out a new chip it will be soon... but not that soon... I mean why? Hes got a decent base that WILL be loyal thanks to the new era of significant necessary exclusive hardware needed for the most versatile and inexpensive cameras... I am drooling over the 1070 and I can not buy it now... but I'll find a way most likely before it comes out... I might not pull the trigger, but if I do I surely won't feel bad about it.
Outputting up to 1080p for my PERSONAL projects for the next three years sits well with me
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TedRR
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I gotta give my dealer credit. I bought my second HVX literally days before the rebate would have backdated to.
Not the end of the world, but I requested they allow me to return the "old" and purchase the 200A. After 2 days of waiting, I got a call today saying they would for a restocking fee. I was glad for the compromise since I made that offer to them.
They also said if I purchased another camera within 6 months, they would reduce that price by the restocking fee.
In short, I'm paying a few hundred more for the camera than some of you, but I can recoup that in our first shoot and I'll have the better camera for years.
Not the end of the world, but I requested they allow me to return the "old" and purchase the 200A. After 2 days of waiting, I got a call today saying they would for a restocking fee. I was glad for the compromise since I made that offer to them.
They also said if I purchased another camera within 6 months, they would reduce that price by the restocking fee.
In short, I'm paying a few hundred more for the camera than some of you, but I can recoup that in our first shoot and I'll have the better camera for years.
John Godden
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Did some aliens abduct Kholi? :zombie_smiley:
I just got finishes shooting a spot today... so tired. Letus Ultimate and 200A worked fantastic.
I have to say that being able to use CineD is great, but I'm not used to it. I seriously do underexpose or overexpose now because I'm not used to it yet. Fantastic.
I will post what I can when I can, but got a busy weekend shooting again. :B Soon as I can get some sort of stills I will guys. Sorry, workin'.
I have to say that being able to use CineD is great, but I'm not used to it. I seriously do underexpose or overexpose now because I'm not used to it yet. Fantastic.
I will post what I can when I can, but got a busy weekend shooting again. :B Soon as I can get some sort of stills I will guys. Sorry, workin'.
I may have to take this down, but here:
CineD - CineLike Gamma - All Presets aside from +2 On Details.
Letus Ultimate
85mm Zeiss T2.1 PL Lens
Don't have Full Resolution, sorry folks. Not til I can get the raw stuff back from the Prod House. Hope I don't get in trouble!
No grading, straight from camera.
CineD - CineLike Gamma - All Presets aside from +2 On Details.
Letus Ultimate
85mm Zeiss T2.1 PL Lens
Don't have Full Resolution, sorry folks. Not til I can get the raw stuff back from the Prod House. Hope I don't get in trouble!
No grading, straight from camera.
Me likes. more stills here:
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=1278797#post1278797
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?p=1278797#post1278797
John Godden
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Is that last shot from billionaires beach?
Thanks for posting these pics and clips.
JohnG
joe 1008
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Hi G-Man. Sorry for the late reply. I wasn´t online for almost three weeks. (incredible nowadays isn't it
) We are working on a full length feature. I've been living and working in the DR for over three years, so I hope I got a grasp on the dominican reality - and their way to see movies. (hope so a lot as I cowrote the script - being the only not latin amican in the team)Don´t want to get too off topic here. Send me a mail if you want, maybe we meet en la capital.
Ted Spencer
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I can confirm, in preliminary testing, that the 200a is both a half-stop more light sensitive as advertised, and much less noisy. While the difference under normal conditions seems slight, in ultra low light it's truly dramatic.
Call my report anecdotal if you like (no grabs, footage etc.), but I found that the 200a with 6db of gain is still noticeably less noisy than the 200 with no gain. In effect, that adds up to about a stop and a half better:
.5 stop more light sensitivity + 1 stop's (equivalent) lower noise (or better) = at least 1.5+ stops greater "efficiency" (or whatever we might call the net benefit). Sweet...
The wider angle lens is also a very welcome change.
Call my report anecdotal if you like (no grabs, footage etc.), but I found that the 200a with 6db of gain is still noticeably less noisy than the 200 with no gain. In effect, that adds up to about a stop and a half better:
.5 stop more light sensitivity + 1 stop's (equivalent) lower noise (or better) = at least 1.5+ stops greater "efficiency" (or whatever we might call the net benefit). Sweet...
The wider angle lens is also a very welcome change.
Told you so. Thanks for letting me know I wasn't crazy! I was saying that you could stretch it to 9dB before you start getting an "HVX200" noise spec. :B
I would definitely say about 2 stops greater in light efficiency, Ted, without stretching the truth. And YES. The Wider Angle lens is a VERY welcomed addition. I think the variable that I'm looking forward to testing the most on the HPX170 is the lens, I really hope it's the best they could've gotten under this price bracket.
I still say the entire 1/3" line lacks proper resolution but eh..
TedRR
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Here are some side by side shots from our HVX 200 and our new 200-A
We shot this in 480 60i in our studio against greenscreen, 10 feet from the ugly model, at 4.0 exposure on both.
The cameras were at the same height and about 4 inches from each other.
The first thing I noticed was a significant different in "exposure" with the same f-stop.
I also noticed a fairly significant difference in the amount of blocking/noise in the green background so I shot just the solid green wall and it was obvious.
Don't get me wrong, I've always loved our HVX and what it could do. But it's obvious that the 200-A is even better.
The following are JPEG still images captured directly off the timeline and then shrunk by 50% in PhotoShop.
We shot this in 480 60i in our studio against greenscreen, 10 feet from the ugly model,
at 4.0 exposure on both.The cameras were at the same height and about 4 inches from each other.
The first thing I noticed was a significant different in "exposure" with the same f-stop.
I also noticed a fairly significant difference in the amount of blocking/noise in the green background so I shot just the solid green wall and it was obvious.
Don't get me wrong, I've always loved our HVX and what it could do. But it's obvious that the 200-A is even better.
The following are JPEG still images captured directly off the timeline and then shrunk by 50% in PhotoShop.
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TedRR
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Here are a couple more. The file name doesn't show, but I'm sure you will all know which is which.
FWIW, I think the aliasing issue with 480 60i has been reduced somewhat as well by a couple other test shots shots we did.
FWIW, I think the aliasing issue with 480 60i has been reduced somewhat as well by a couple other test shots shots we did.
