RED NAB NEWS THREAD: Scarlet pics are up

Kholi said:
S'exactly what I said. RAW is no joke. It's not the point-and-shoot everyone's used to. But, I guess you gotta play with it to see that.

I do like the fact that you can apply the VIDEO look to the footage, though. I'm glad Kenn told me that I could do that!
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I hear you, but man, scarlet seems to be pretty much what I had hoped the new HVXes would be. With even more res. I agree it might not be the best for client work yet, but man, for making your own film? Under $3K for the base unit? It's pretty frickin incredible.

Because when making my own films, at the end of the day I really only care about two main things: light sensitivity and resolution.

And if the 2/3" chips help give close to the same DOF control as the HPX, I'm all good. And of course the 120FPS I had prayed for in the HVX forum...:)
 
Postmaster said:
3k@3k RAW (that is clean 2k out if a Bayer sensor) is great.
2/3 sensor in this price class allone is unbelivable.
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ANYTHING in this price class is unbelievable; to get a super-high-res solid 1080P or 2K out of it is stunning, to get a 2/3" chip is beyond awesome. I haven't dug into the reduser reactions yet, but anyone complaining in any way about the Scarlet is completely off base. What they're promising, for $3,000, is just insanely over the top.

Could it have been better? of course. Interchangeable lens would be nice, etc. But it's just like people being "disappointed" that the $5500-ish HPX170 isn't an EX3-killer... you have to factor in the price. People were expecting the Scarlet to be "below $10,000". It's $3,000! Come ON, people.

....umm I would rather like to record on harddisk than on cards.
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There I'll disagree 100%. hard disk is the lamest recording system on the planet. I'm much happier with the dual compactflash approach. I bought a red drive, and I'd use CF instead every single time unless I absolutely *had* to have larger capacity. Scarlet's not shipping for at least a year, and I'm sure we'll have 32GB cards by then. Two 32's should provide plenty of recording capacity with absolutely no hassle.
 
Wait, so IS Scarlet $3000? I thought it was a figure that was tossed out there. Didn't know that it was confirmed by RED themselves.
 
Really? Because the first I heard of the $3000 figure was when someone posted from camcorderinfo. Then another website mentioned that it was $3000 as well. Then that became a figure that everyone accepted. Did anyone who was there actually heard from a RED representative about this?
 
Barry_Green said:
Two 32's should provide plenty of recording capacity with absolutely no hassle.
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Clearly we can't know anything for certain until the details are out - but based on current REDcode space demands can any of you with RED experience give us a ballpark figure as to how much recording time we'd be talking about?
 
Mark Harris said:
I hear you, but man, scarlet seems to be pretty much what I had hoped the new HVXes would be. With even more res. I agree it might not be the best for client work yet, but man, for making your own film? Under $3K for the base unit? It's pretty frickin incredible.

Because when making my own films, at the end of the day I really only care about two main things: light sensitivity and resolution.

And if the 2/3" chips help give close to the same DOF control as the HPX, I'm all good. And of course the 120FPS I had prayed for in the HVX forum...:)
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Resolution I want, definitely. It's less resolution, though, and more "resolved detail". I think one of the newer HPX/HMC cameras might give that to people in a format we can already trust.

Scarlet's gonna still force us to use 35mm Adapters. I have no interest in using the fixed lens and would still like control over my image. The good thing is that if it's following the RED ONE production workflow you'll have control over ISO/ASA. Yum.

This cam's not due out for a while, though. And the HPX/HMC cams are. The HPX500 already being available and at a crazy price.

I'm glad that I was half-wrong about Scarlet. Announcement's out there and now we hurry up and wait! Til then I've got my eye on the new HPX170.
 
I am totally with Kholi on this one. Red should partner up with Apple and use pro res HQ 4:2:2 codec instead. Just like how Kona partnered up with apple on the AJA.
 
Huy Vu said:
Did anyone who was there actually heard from a RED representative about this?
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It's been posted by RED reps on the reduser forum, and it was said by Ted himself in an interview posted as well.

So yes, the official RED word is that Scarlet will be "under $3,000"
 
Dxmetal said:
I am totally with Kholi on this one. Red should partner up with Apple and use pro res HQ 4:2:2 codec instead. Just like how Kona partnered up with apple on the AJA.
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Now that would be nasty. That immediately changes the game up but then again RED thrives on bein' a proprietary entity.

One thing that people don't realize as well is that the camera produces these lil files called PROXIES. And, I just got this myself (thanks to Matty G!).

The Proxy files come in about three or four different sizes (2k and 1k I know for sure) and they're VERY HIgh-Res and retain a lot of the data from the RAW file. They're H.264 format as well.

The image in these proxies STILL spits all over any sub 10k Camera setup, and I'd go as far as to say they look as good as HPX3000 files but obviously with more detail and latittude still apparent. You can grade these suckers to hell and back and they hold up really well.

If you ONLY needed say 2k or 1k and nothing more, then you could finish your entire project off of the 2k Proxy files generated by the camera. Convert the H.264 to ProRes or whatever you wish and work with those directly.

Kenn Michael informing me that you can sort of "apply" the look you see from your LCD to the footage/proxy files confirmed for me that this workflow is definitely a possibility for clients that can't handle RAW. It's an extra step, nothing as easy as DVCproHD but the extra step you take equates to a better image overall.

So, for me, RED is much more universal than "RAW" format.
 
yeah, watch the RED interview with Ted, he says the Scarlet is aim towards everybody, the soccer mum ....etc.

Yeah, i imagine soccer mums everywhere will be thrilled to flow with the RED RAW workflow in their lil mac mini or iMac.

Red cams are geek cam. Made for narrative indie filmmakers that cannot afford the Varicam, F900 or Film cam. Thats the nature of the beast. If they wanted to target soccer mums and the teen skateboarders, their workflow has to change. Not every teen skater can afford a Mac Pro and FCS.
 
I'm with you - though at $3K i was expecting to have to pay for a seperate LCD anyhow, so anything is good.

Honestly, I don't even know why I'm keeping up with the developments.
I should just unplug for 18 months and come back to see what they come out with.
 
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