Panasonic Announces New HPX-170

Ah...
Well looking at it, what he said was:
SPZ said:
Heard the CCD's are now 1280x720 native pixel shifted.
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That doesn't sound like official info to me - sounds like something he heard...and we're not sure where he heard it from. Also, I have no idea what "native pixel shifted" would mean. Either the chips are 1280x720 natively or they aren't...and if they aren't then there is pixel shifting being done to get there. Seem like mutually exclusive terms to me - then again I don't work in marketing.
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Regardless - I can't help but think that if the chips had increased in res by 33% that that would have been at the top of Barry's article. As far as I know Panasonic hasn't made any claims on pixel count one way or the otherl.
 
Has anyone heard any updates on the LCD quality of the 170 and the 200A? This was one area that I was hoping to see improvements, but I haven't heard anything yet. Thanks for any info.
 
TheMusician said:
Has anyone heard any updates on the LCD quality of the 170 and the 200A? This was one area that I was hoping to see improvements, but I haven't heard anything yet. Thanks for any info.
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The 200A uses the same LCD panel. The 170 and 150 are not finished products. I expect they'll probably use that same LCD, but there's a lot of time between now and October/Nov/Dec/whenever they get released, so we'll see what they actually ship with.
 
July is right in the middle of the summer... at least here.
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Actually, August is more like the middle of summer (June 22 to Sept 22nd, roughly) but one can hope...

Does the 150 have waveform monitoring? Or only the 170. What a great feature. Histograms are nice, but waveform is something else. Super kudos to Panny for putting this on there, even if only the 170.
 
I also got excited and initially assumed 1280x720 CCDs, however, re-reading the press release, what is actually said is "...the HPX170 is equipped with new advanced 1/3-inch 16:9 3-CCDs..." "New" and "Advanced", doesn't necessarily mean 1280x720, as many of us had hoped.

Another press release says of the HVX200A "...now featuring improved progressive 3-CCD imagers..." Even this does not necessarily indicate native 720P CCDs. Barry, you may be on to something: the big four manufacturers may be allowing JVC to hang on to that calling card.

On a side note: If anyone missed it, the HVX200A is also "...Incorporating these new premium quality 3-CCD imagers and the 28mm zoom lens of the new HPX170..."
 
Sorry guys. Post taken out.

For the chips resolution, better wait for Jan confirmation, Barry or Adam Witt's testing.
 
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Waveform monitor on the 150? Or just 170? Anyone know?

Personally, I thought the pixel shifting worked/works great. Anyone who doesn't think the HVX200 is real HD because of this isn't looking at the actual picture the camera produces, but numbers on paper. In my opinion anyway.
 
snowleopard said:
Waveform monitor on the 150? Or just 170? Anyone know?

Personally, I thought the pixel shifting worked/works great. Anyone who doesn't think the HVX200 is real HD because of this isn't looking at the actual picture the camera produces, but numbers on paper. In my opinion anyway.
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Agreed...Partially. Depends on your "canvas". The bigger the resolution, the better it looks in bigger screens- taking only resolution into consideration!

The big catch on the HVX is not the resolution, but everything else that is important to make a good picture: dinamic range, which is close to top of its class- before the ex1 introduction-, color space (4:2:2 ), top of its class, variable frame rates (immediately viewable vs competition) and reliable established workflow.

To me, including the EX1, there's no picture that looks as "filmic" as the cine D f6 scene file of the HVX out of the box, from any other camera in the price range- or sub 10k, for the matter (ok, not including the HPX500, which is going, with the rebate, for 7999 excluding lens).

... But the Scarlet really is a run for the HVX money, at least for indie film production. Lets see what the Scarlet numbers are for dinamic range and real world resolution.
 
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Does the 150 have waveform monitoring? Or only the 170. What a great feature. Histograms are nice, but waveform is something else. Super kudos to Panny for putting this on there, even if only the 170.
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The 150 mockup has the WFM button, so I expect that yes indeed it has the waveform monitor.
 
Clark said:
I also got excited and initially assumed 1280x720 CCDs, however, re-reading the press release, what is actually said is "...the HPX170 is equipped with new advanced 1/3-inch 16:9 3-CCDs..." "New" and "Advanced", doesn't necessarily mean 1280x720, as many of us had hoped.

Another press release says of the HVX200A "...now featuring improved progressive 3-CCD imagers..." Even this does not necessarily indicate native 720P CCDs. Barry, you may be on to something: the big four manufacturers may be allowing JVC to hang on to that calling card.

On a side note: If anyone missed it, the HVX200A is also "...Incorporating these new premium quality 3-CCD imagers and the 28mm zoom lens of the new HPX170..."
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Is there any camera compareable to ex1 in price and quality.
Waiting for the switch to HD
 
If the HPX170 doesn't have a tape drive why can't there be more P2 slots? I'd even take a Tape Drive style P2 Loading mech. We're it pops out on the side and you slide in 3-4 cards, and then pop it back in. Freeing up the back for something else, or even keeping those two slots.
 
It sounds like the HPX 170 is going to be the real deal (HVX or better). Will have to wait and see until we get a little more info or user experience. It is a slated for a fall release, so that means months away and probably timed with the 64 gig card release (speculation on my part).

I got excited about the 170 after talking to my old Pany rep. Said it would be worth the wait as opposed to the 200A.

Scarlet is vapor wear until 2009. So I have a few months to decide.
 
I somehow misread the HVX200a specification. Now I see no indication that they've added 1080/24pN. Whatthe?!

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if it has 20 different frame rates then i think it's safe to assume that it'll be both pal and ntsc (perhaps only in 720 mode). even if you add the different framerates of the pal hvx to the ntsc version there are still only 16:

12,18,20,22,(23),24,(25),26,(27),30,32,36,(37),48,(50),60

i wonder what the other 4 will be? i'm guessing 16, 40 and 54 will be there as they are quite common on S8 or 16mm cams.
 
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