RED NAB NEWS THREAD: Scarlet pics are up

Red.com fine print says Red One camera bodies will be redeemable for $17,500 towards an Epic 5K! Very interesting.

Is Red One already obsolete? Even if it is, it sounds like a great deal...but until we know the Epic 5K price...
 
I'm a little dissappointed that it's a fixed lens, but that thing still looks awesome. Cramming 3k into a 2/3 chip though has got to make for a pretty dense pixel count. Is that about the same density as the HV20?

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Kholi said:
Did want to move away from shooting with 35mm Adapters as my personal option but with the Letus Ultimate it won't be bad.
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This is probably a topic for another thread - but with a Letus Ultimate and Scarlet - or Letus Ultimate, Relay lens and HPX500 I still don't see why you wouldn't just bite the bullet and jump to a RED One.

But that's just me.

And - who knows - maybe the fixed lens on Scarlet was done to keep the price down?
I mean, sure they could have released a body only design for under 10K, but that would just make the overall package more expensive. I guess this is like the Scarlet is to the RED One what the HVX is to the Varicam.

Still suprising though.
I never expected RED to come out with so many cameras.
It's difficult to do that AND try to keep to their original 'mission.'
 
sean90291 said:
Red.com fine print says Red One camera bodies will be redeemable for $17,500 towards an Epic 5K! Very interesting.

Is Red One already obsolete? Even if it is, it sounds like a great deal...but until we know the Epic 5K price...
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There's no-way RED ONE could be obsolete. I'll bet EPIC is gonna be priced at a point where many RED ONE owners dare not tread, and offer something crazy like STEREOSCOPIC (dreaming here) which will set the two cameras even further apart. Making EPIC the choice for big dogs, RED ONE the choice for the "middle class" and Scarlet the choice for us poor folk.

To do otherwise is to sink your own ship.
 
My God... if it's really $3K I'm picking up a few of these things.
:)

Realistically - with a 3K single sensor what are we looking at in terms of final resolution?
Would it be fair to say 2K?
(assuming it's a bayer filter)
 
Luis Caffesse said:
This is probably a topic for another thread - but with a Letus Ultimate and Scarlet - or Letus Ultimate, Relay lens and HPX500 I still don't see why you wouldn't just bite the bullet and jump to a RED One.

But that's just me.

And - who knows - maybe the fixed lens on Scarlet was done to keep the price down?
I mean, sure they could have released a body only design for under 10K, but that would just make the overall package more expensive. I guess this is like the Scarlet is to the RED One what the HVX is to the Varicam.

Still suprising though.
I never expected RED to come out with so many cameras.
It's difficult to do that AND try to keep to their original 'mission.'
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It totally is another topic for another thread, but minor chime in: RED ONE costs 25k at the very least to shoot with. HPX500 w/35mm Adapter package comes in at 18k and you're ready to go.

Scarlet (if it's below 10k) beats the HPX500 in many ways including a fixed lens so when you do go 35mm adapter you're ready for any shooting situation.

RED ONE's expense is an entirely new Tax Bracket.

On about the releases, I'm pleasantly surprised. I played the skeptic so I wouldn't be disappointed.
 
Not disappointed at Scarlet at all. 2/3" sensor is equiv to 16mm film. Love the fixed lens, it's a great compromise to get the advantages of point and shoot and the advantages of RAW recording. The RED lenses are spectacular and you can be sure this fixed lens will be no different. I figured Scarlet would be 16mm size and 2K, they delivered 3k (which on a bayer sensor is perfect size for a 2K/HD finish.
 
Kholi said:
There's no-way RED ONE could be obsolete. I'll bet EPIC is gonna be priced at a point where many RED ONE owners dare not tread, and offer something crazy like STEREOSCOPIC (dreaming here) which will set the two cameras even further apart. Making EPIC the choice for big dogs, RED ONE the choice for the "middle class" and Scarlet the choice for us poor folk.

To do otherwise is to sink your own ship.
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Epic's price announced as $40K.
 
Luis Caffesse said:
My God... if it's really $3K I'm picking up a few of these things.
:)

Realistically - with a 3K single sensor what are we looking at in terms of final resolution?
Would it be fair to say 2K?
(assuming it's a bayer filter)
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Depends. Also remember that RED ONE shoots a host of different 2k and 3k modes. 2:1, 16:9, Anamorphic. I bet you get the full 3k out of it or else there may be no real reason to tout that it's 3K RAW, y'know?

You'll probably also have the option to shoot 2k in camera.

If this thing is 3,000.00 then something is terribly wrong. I want to see this announcement come straight from the horses mouth.

Although if they did that, then that would allow people to purchase every single accessory that they come out with. In the end, once you build this sucker up with the Cage and batteries, Mattebox, etc, it should be the size of an HVX.
 
the Red Scarlet would be for the hv20 trv900 crowd. Serious indie filmmaker can cross that off their list.

The Epic is going to be the top dog over the Red One but its going to be more expensive than $17,500 and probably ill use global CMOS or CCD to eliminate the rolling shutter problem.

Question is ... what are they gonna do with those trade-in RED ONE ?? a refurbished sales ???

I think it is kinda risky to introduce 2 new cams while the Red ONe is still not stabilized. 5k ?? that will what, fit 2 half minute of thier 8 gig card ?? not to mention the comp power and workflow...
 
Well damn Kholi -
If this $3K pricetag is true, now you're looking at 3K for the cam and 4.5K for the Ultimate.
:)

Could be a very sweet setup
 
Joshua Provost said:
Not disappointed at Scarlet at all. 2/3" sensor is equiv to 16mm film. Love the fixed lens, it's a great compromise to get the advantages of point and shoot and the advantages of RAW recording. The RED lenses are spectacular and you can be sure this fixed lens will be no different. I figured Scarlet would be 16mm size and 2K, they delivered 3k (which on a bayer sensor is perfect size for a 2K/HD finish.
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I'm up for this mentality, although I disagree with one point: the RED zoom lens is trash. There's no using that thing for anything serious, IMO, but a lot of people will disagree with me. That's one thing that confuses me about an Early 2009 release: what R & D has RED put into constructing a lens for all types of acquisition being that it's fixed?
 
sean90291 said:
Epic's price announced as $40K.
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That's what I thought. And remember that's just the body. So if you use RED ONE purchases as an example, being that a RED ONE costs 17.5k and the least you could spend for a viable, useable camera (nikon mount) is 25k, I'd say that the expense for an EPIC goes to 55k land easily.

For a lot of people that own RED ONE's, going 25k meant sacrificing everything they owned. I'd say RED ONE is well protected
 
Luis Caffesse said:
Doesn't stop them from calling the RED One a 4K camera.
:)
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To be fair, Panasonic calls the HVX a 1080p Camera. Although it arrives to that point through a not-so-straightforward path... we still consider it 1080p yes?

RED ONE will get you 4k. How it arrives at 4k may be questionable, in the end it's a standalone resolution with differences between 2k and 3k. I think the same applies to Scarlet although everyone's free to disagree with me.

Also, if this sucker costs $3,000 then indeed, you will have one sick setup for under 12k (considering batteries, all accessories-- mattebox, ff, etc) and Ultimate.

Ouch.
 
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