Press Release: HMC150, "the new DVX"

That's right. You can't cut AVCHD (unless something changed recently) in CS3. I'm not even sure how to go about it in FCS2.

Despite that, I honestly think and HOPE the HMC150 outperforms the HVX200 optically, from inception to delivery. It'd be great to have a clean "HD" Pana image. Something that works for HD and SD, instead of "it makes a GREAT DVD".
 
DVCproHD will be less taxing on your CPU then AVC-HD as each frame is independent in a DVCpro stream and isn't getting any information from the frames around it.

I do hope the image is at least as good as the HVX's. They have had three years to improve the technology.
 
FYI,

In this poll on Reduser, where people are speculating the price of Scarlet, a Red Team member has allegedly hinted at the price by the selecting the "$3250" option within the poll.

Perhaps this is nothing, seeing as how all of this is fueled by speculation on top more speculation, but it's going to get really interesting if a 2K camera emerges at a price somewhere between the HMC150 and HVX200.
 
BobDiaz said:
By the way, does "HMC" in the name "HMC150" equal to the words "High [capacity] Memory Card"? Good question to ask Jan at NAB.
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Panasonic's reasonably consistent with their model naming; I've tried to decode it as such:

First letter, format: "H" = high-def, "S" = standard-def DVCPRO, "D" = DV
Second letter, recording format: "D" = DVCPRO tape, "P" = P2, "V" = DV video tape, "M" = SD memory cards
Third letter seems to be 24P or not, but not always: "C" = 60i, "X" = 24P

Hence, HVX = high-def, DV tape, 24P. SDX = standard-def, DVCPRO tape, 24P. HMC70 = high-def, memory card recording, 60i.

Only thing that doesn't seem to fit is "hmc150"; it seems like it should be "hmx150".
 
Kholi said:
That's right. You can't cut AVCHD (unless something changed recently) in CS3. .
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Not sure about CS3, but if you can't yet cut it in CS3, you most likely soon will be able to. Adobe is listed on the "partners" list of avchd-info.org.

Actually, just about everyone's listed there. Apple, Avid, Adobe, Canopus, MainConcept, Nero, Pinnacle, Ulead -- pretty much every NLE manufacturer is listed as supporting AVC-HD.
 
BobDiaz said:
On the HMC150, 1 hour of source video should take up about 9GB to 11GB of storage at the maximum data rate. (Assuming 20Mbps to 24 Mbps.)
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That is, of course, the maximum data rate. If you're comfortable with the 13mbps HDV-caliber quality you could get an hour in about 5 gigabytes, and if you are doing sit-down interviews or something like that and the 6bmps rate is appropriate and adequate, you could get an hour of that in about 2 gigabytes (so a single $119 terabyte drive could hold up to 500 hours of footage!) But that's the extremes, of course. I expect that most HMC users are gonna peg the meter at "max" quality and never change from there (unless they really need longer recording times, of course).
 
Digigenic said:
FYI,

In this poll on Reduser, where people are speculating the price of Scarlet, a Red Team member has allegedly hinted at the price by the selecting the "$3250" option within the poll.

Perhaps this is nothing, seeing as how all of this is fueled by speculation on top more speculation, but it's going to get really interesting if a 2K camera emerges at a price somewhere between the HMC150 and HVX200.
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Sounds terrible to say but I remember all the people hanging out for RED ONE pricing and being incredibly disappointed when the official tag arrived.

I forsee a very large number of RED cultists sheddin' their robes and 2k Bibles after they find out that Scarlet is not the camera they've been waiting for. Then again, I wouldn't mind being completely wrong. :B
 
If Scarlet is indeed a 2K camera head (which I'd be pretty surprised if it isn't), I would expect the price tag to be considerably lower than RED ONE. The (presumably 16mm) CMOS chip should cost a lot less to manufacture and require considerably less on board processor power to compress the RAW image data. They should be able to leverage a lot of the R&D from RED ONE too.
 
PaPa said:
i guess it's just curious as speculation is that it will be less expensive than the current HVX, yet if it shoots similar to same quality, and is new... just confusing thts all. I wish i knew more about these codecs andcompression, all these terms.
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IF you ever wanted to hear me talk about video compression, here's my first Podcast that I ever put together. I tried to define all the technical stuff as best as possible and kept it to a simple explanation.

If there's interest in this sort of thing, I can produce more...

Running time: 18 minutes 10 seconds


Main Page For Podcast:
http://web.mac.com/bobdiaz/Site/Podcast/Podcast.html


Enjoy,

Bob Diaz
 
One thing that still confuses me is, the 720 50p recording speed is the same as the 720 50p in the hvx? could this be used for low speed video?
 
yes.

the 720p standard is 60p or 50p (depending on region). If you are working in a 24p or 30p project, you can always use 720p to get slo-mo shots.
Any real 720p HD camera will shoot 50p or 60p.

- Mikko
 
Thanks for the link Bobdiaz, ill check it out when i get home tonight.

Really excited to see what this HMC and scarlet has in store. But i guess we are still years away from having 35mm sized chips standard in video cameras, i.e. eliminating 35mm adapters altogether.

If only i had 45k.... lol
 
BobDiaz said:
. . . On the HVX-200, 1 hour of source video should take up about 45GB of storage at the maximum data rate. . . Bob Diaz
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On the HVX200 one hour of 1080 x 1920 takes up about 50 to 55 gigs of space at 24p, we do this all the time; in fact, when inserting the P2 card and firing up the HVX200 the with the above setttings a 16GB card will say 17 mins (reference of course) which is 16GB/17min=.94+GB/min. Our "rule of thumb" is 1GB/min. To gain space of course one can drop to 720 and the space on the card almost doubles the time BUT our experience says that the 720 video looks BAD! Not bad as in below SD but not even close to the quality as the 1080 which has been explained to me by those in the know here at DVXuser as a function of the chip in the camera and the internal program which is 1080 based.
 
Kholi said:
. . . Also, it'll take more processor power to cut AVCHD than it does DVCProHD.
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If this is true, then that is a killer for me! That means slower operation and mini locks on a dual zeon dual core hyper thread and we DON'T like that! We're all about punching it out. Shooting and editing over 150 video productions last year we are NOT about to buy more comp time . . . so if AVCHD requires more computer processing power/time then FORGET IT! We'll just get another HVX200 or maybe even a HPX500 and another 200.
 
AVC-HD requires far more processor time than DVCPRO-HD. DVCPRO-HD was designed as an editing codec, and it runs in realtime on a lowly PowerBook G4 1.33GHz. AVC-HD is very processor intensive and I can't even get a stream in realtime on a 2.4GHz Dual Core laptop.
 
so would this mean you would need a super computer to edit this in avc-hd?


another thing i dont know why but i feel like if i ever got this camera i would still want to keep my dvx and probably use it just as much just because it was such a revolutionary camera and the hmc150 is not so revolutionary as the dvx
 
Barry_Green said:
AVC-HD requires far more processor time than DVCPRO-HD. DVCPRO-HD was designed as an editing codec, and it runs in realtime on a lowly PowerBook G4 1.33GHz. AVC-HD is very processor intensive and I can't even get a stream in realtime on a 2.4GHz Dual Core laptop.
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Thank you sooooooooo much Barry. DONE DEAL for me. I'm sticking with my HVX200 and it's lovely DVCProHD.

BTW, is the HPX500 better on light than the HVX200? One thing I don't like about the HVX is that it is a very very light hungry device.

Also, any way to get the data transferred out of the P2 cards faster? My experience on a laptop with an external HDD plugged in is almost "real time" that is, 17 mins of video takes about 12 to 15 minutes to offload. Sure I can get more cards and offload in the background while shooting and will eventually do that but is there a faster way in the meantime while I add to the assets?
 
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